Xu Wenwu

The real geopolitical power is held by those operating in the shadows.

You have Xu Wenwu, who discovers the cosmic Ten Rings 1,000 years ago.

Mm-hmm.

He doesn't hide.

I'm saying as a villain, the way he was portrayed and acted, as a villain, the way he was portrayed and acted was good.

It's just like Wenwu as a villain, the way he was portrayed by Tony Leung for Shang-Chi was good.

So I'm not saying that Thanos was right.

I can't lie.

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he carries Wenwu so well.

Mm-hmm.

But, like, it's genuinely...

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but you get why they're making them.

And with Wenwu, it's so heartbreaking.

Like, you see how much he genuinely believes that his wife is still alive.