Wayne Visser

I really enjoyed all three of them.

First up, we had Professor Wayne Visser on technofixes.

We had a fascinating discussion, one of my favourite topics of the moment, which is X-curves, those intersecting S-curves that occur when one technology displaces another.

We discussed the X-curve that occurred when the motor car started taking over from horses and whether that would apply to EVs.

[upbeat music] Wow, that was fascinating.

Um, so Wayne, hearing both Sandro and Jonny, and maybe Sandro first, what stuck with you?

Well, I really liked that, uh, he talked about the impact of climate on non-communicable diseases.

We, we make that obvious link between disease vectors changing because of changing climate, but, but he made the point that actually it impacts the main causes of, of death as well, you know, the heart disease, uh, uh, strokes, uh, diabetes, and so on.

[on-hold music] Welcome to the Thriving Podcast.

I'm your host, Wayne Visser.

Although in season three, that's not quite true.

This season, we have two AI-generated co-hosts who are exploring the ideas that are within the book Thriving.

Absolutely.

So welcome to today's deep dive.

Our mission today is to open up Wayne Visser's book, Thriving, and specifically, we are looking at his epilogue, which is titled Witness.

Yeah.

Welcome to the Net Zero Business Podcast.

Today, I'm delighted to be joined by Professor Wayne Visser of the Catalica Port of Business School and the Cambridge Institute for Sustainability Leadership.

He's the author of literally dozens of books, most recently Technologies of Hope and Earth Saving Mission, which we will be digging into today.

Welcome to the podcast, Wayne.

[on-hold music] Welcome to the Thriving Podcast.

I'm your host, Wayne Visser.

Although in season three that's not quite true.

This season we have two AI-generated co-hosts who are exploring the ideas that are within the book Thriving.

It is a properly big topic today.

It really is.

So our mission for this deep dive is to explore chapter 10 of Dr. Wayne Visser's book, Thriving.

We are essentially going to unpack a completely new concept of leadership.

Welcome to this episode of Dancing With Systems where we're going to be exploring does in fact money make the world go round? Today's focus is our finance system, the subject of much debate at the moment and a system again as with the others undergoing rapid transition but Wayne tell us a little bit more about what's happening in finance.

Well, as you say, it seems to be the system that underpins everything.

And many would argue it's at the root cause of the problem, but also at the heart of the solution.

So you have this absolute revolution in low-cost alternatives to fossil fuel energy consumption, but you have bumps along the way.

And so I think the key to answer your question in this long-winded way... is support regulatory and policy support to make sure that the investments are sufficiently profitable that you can make those investments now.

And just Paul, building on that before I hand over to Wayne for the last question.

For those businesses, and I think a lot of people listening to this will be working in businesses and they might be feeling nervous about policy advocacy or nervous about talking to policymakers and or not then thinking that policymakers would take them very seriously.

What's your kind of rallying cry for business to find their voice and to be clearer to policymakers at, and I think this is interesting, not a national level so much, but also a regional level? And, you know, how can we enable businesses to find their voice more to back that policy that de-risks the investment and then creates that price point entry that we know then tips markets? If you had a magic wand...