Waterfront Toronto

Yeah, and in Toronto, the city runs the like mainland to kind of islands ferry and it's like mostly recreational tourism, but there is talk about integrating it with our kind of payment system transit payment system presto.

But there's also Waterfront Toronto also.

Oh, I guess this is something I can talk about locally.

They created something called the East West Shuttle.

Yeah, I mean, like most ideas, it's sort of never one particular moment, it kind of there are many things that are happening over time and then it kind of, there's the right moment, right? So I think that I'd been working in public art for many years in many contexts.

And then when I started to, I was at the time that kind of the idea really started to kind of take place was I was working in at Waterfront Toronto and Waterfront Toronto is the tripartite government agency here in Toronto that is in charge of revitalizing the whole waterfront.

So we can talk about what that is a bit later.

But I was in charge of running their public art program, which consisted of, you know, everything from commissioning art, to kind of implementing it and working with artists to fabricate it and install it, but also working on developing major public art master plans for each new neighborhood.

And I can go on and on about like how obviously we've all had moments when you're like, you know, but they include these kind of the infrastructure and then it gets value engineered and you don't realize.

And then by the time you look, you're like, oh my God, that's God.

But like, I think the fact that it that I was able to work with Waterfront Toronto all the way through and then work with the La Sondag show, but I was still kind of working with making sure that that would actually get built in.

That continuity was really important because as soon as someone steps away or leaves a job too late, then a drawing gets approved by someone and it's done.