W. Mark Lanier

We got to sit down with Todd Matthews and Lee Floyd, both who are very invested in this litigation.

We've got some John and Mark podcast episodes coming up with them.

So we'll go deep into the background and history of how that case got to where it is right now and what the potential future of it is.

Very, very interesting.

yeah we're very close right and i believe that youtube already settled out from this one we've got meta left i think meta and tick tocker left if i'm correct snap settled out

yep so so do you think we'll have a trial or now

i think we've been saying this for uh We've been saying this for a while, right? I don't think Zuckerberg wants to sit down and have to deal with Mark Lanier again.

And I think we're gonna see progress here within the next couple of weeks before this trial starts.

There was a lot of alternative causation evidence that was introduced at the trial.

And I think it's one of the reasons why the damages for the individual were much so much lower than what the plaintiff's lawyer Mark Lanier asked for.

He asked for billions of dollars of punitive damages.

The jury came back and gave him three is not a number.

Obviously, we're active trial lawyers, um, in trial all the time.

I will say one of our first guests was, uh, New Mexico Attorney General Raúl Torres, who actually did take matter to trial and, and got the first verdict, uh, in a series followed closely by Mark Lanier out of Texas, you know, that we just attended his trial academy.

If you haven't gone to that, it's highly recommended.

Impressive.

But she did want me to express her appreciation, uh, publicly for the work of the court, for the work of the jury, and for the work of the media in helping to, to recognize what the first social media addiction trial is all about, and that's a very serious issue, not only here to California and the US, but to the world.

Here's the thing about attorney Mark Lanier.

He didn't argue this case with legal jargon, he pitched the whole thing to that jury in three letters.

Listen.

I, I d- I don't think we did." And I said, "Well, let's look at the documents, because they're very clear."

Now, I keep using that word malice.

It's not a word a jury gets to throw around, so let me let Mark Lanier explain in plain English exactly what 12 people had to believe before the law would let them apply malice to their finding.

The judge defined malice and fraud as including the fact that they knew it would hurt people, and they did it anyway, and that's what the jury found.

Yeah.

I love I'm a huge Mark Lanier fan.

Obviously, he's I think he's one of the greatest trial lawyers ever.

And a lot of people don't know who he is, even in our world we do, but a lot of the public doesn't know.

But Mark Lanier is just one more groundbreaking, earth-shattering verdicts than anyone else.

And when you watch him do his presentations, it's so simple.

He does a roadmap in every case.

When engineering it, creators asked themselves, "How can we addict kids to this platform?" And what did they do? Some companies actually hired neurosurgeons- To study exactly how to do it.

Listen to attorney Mark Lanier talk about this.

You'll understand what I'm saying.

We had in 2011, we had documents from YouTube and Google that said their goal is not viewership, their goal is addiction.

... can figure, figure out problems.

Um, problem for her became a much larger problem, and that was tried by Mark Lanier, um, who's fantastic.

If, if anybody ever gets a chance to listen to him, he is well worth it.

Mm-hmm.

And we're talking about like very specific things that people can do to make sure that they are getting more exposure for their PI firm.

And then you sit down with Mark Lanier and we talk about how he uses AI in a safe way so that he has- doesn't have exposure-

Mm-hmm

... to things that are, are confidential.

Favorites are tough.

I have different, like, moments of memory.

I really enjoyed the chaos that ensued before the Mark Lanier episode started.

Mark Lanier episode was great.