Vusi Thembekwayo

So there's-- That's the downside.

The upside is I got a call this week from, a lot of you may know him, Vusi Thembekwayo, the South African entrepreneur and speaker.

And we spoke for like an hour.

And he loves what we're doing at Business Bagel.

Most other things are eh, you know.

It reminds me of, remember the beef, um, on, on Twitter a few years ago between, um, Vusi Thembekwayo and Sizwe-

Oh, they always have beef

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