Vulture

It's such a uniquely tragic situation.

And it was very clear that one, the women... just band around her and that nothing else mattered because it didn't, but also the behind the scenes of Mary even wanting to film, which her Vulture interview that came out today answered some of those questions because she's asked, how did the conversations about your participation in the show go from there? And she says, when it first happened, Noah told me I didn't have to come back.

He's like, you don't have to worry about your job.

Take a year off.

So that keeps me going, which I think just speaks to how that was such like a welcomed and healthy distraction and almost place to put her energy into.

I mean...

In this Vulture interview, wait, I want to just read this one quote.

She's asked, when you returned to filming, did your relationship to the show feel different? And she says, this year I had nothing to lose.

Mm-mm.Carmella seems like roadkill.

Like she doesn't, um, Lewis Peitzman, who writes for Vulture-

Yes

... said that she's a, a Selling Sunset cast member, and he-

Yeah.

And I think that that is a very successful pathway.

'Cause I interviewed Ryan Serhant at the Vulture, like, Reality Masterminds thing earlier this year.

Mm-hmm.

Maybe it had been... suggest it, but perhaps not as widely accepted as it is now.

I'm stealing this observation from Sedanta Blanca, who's previously guested on the show and wrote a very fun sort of ending questions piece about the end of Oak Street over at Vulture.

And he noted that, again, to sort of be vague about spoilers, when our heroes get back to the present and have to warn people what's coming, they don't yet have the shorthand of back to the future, the cultural shorthand of back to the future.

future to explain it.

Before we close out this episode, where can we find everyone these days? Tasha?

I mean, you can barely find me these days.

I'm still recapping Game Changer over at Vulture.

Otherwise, kind of taking a little break, including from social media.

It has never been easier to become a creator, but it has never been harder to make a living out of it.

There was an article that I was obsessed with reading and sent to so many people, and it was the recent Vulture article that featured Audrey Peters talking about the end of matcha, Pilates, Alo Yoga influencers.

And she was very brave and very honest about what it takes to be a successful lifestyle creator now.

And it just doesn't work anymore to show unboxings and show a trip to Saint-Tropez because there's so much of it on the internet that it's not cutting through the noise anymore.

So excited for this return guest.

You know him as a Bravo-holic and a Bravo-holic writer as well, whose credits include Vogue, Vulture.

The Cut, and the LA Times, among others.

He is also currently recapping Next Gen NYC for Vulture.

Welcome back to the Clavis.

It's been too long, Tom.

Yeah.

I sent you a link to an interview with Roland Orzabal in Vulture.

Did you read it? I wasn't able to.

I hit my limit of