Vivien Goldman

And we actually did a record together that he produced called One of the Lads by the 4B2, which... which was before public image, but actually has that public image sound to a degree, even though it's got John Lydon's dad playing banjo on it.

Vivian Goldman described it as the first proto-world, punk, post-punk world.

dance record or something it is quite an important record yeah and that was a minor hit as well and the dub of it's phenomenal and that was the first record i ever got to do and mark lasardi who was our engineer at gooseberry allowed me to stay towards the end to run off those dubs and that was my um penny drop evangelical moment that i thought yeah this is what i want to do I didn't realize that was meant for the rest of my life, but it has.

And immediately after that record, we

Did you know Don back in the late 70s then? Well, I didn't go to the

Roxy, but I did hang out at Gunter Grove with Leiden in his Chelsea lair while he was... putting pills together, and I was in his brother's band.

And Don was often hanging out there and was a firm fixture, along with Vivian Goldman, both of which have remained good friends.

I was this cocky little 17-year-old kid hanging out, hanging on a thread, you know.

And the lineup is packed with history, too.

Vivian Goldman, the punk historian, is part of it.

That's fascinating.

Right, she wrote Revenge of the ShePunks, which is all about mapping women's impact on punk music.

What's interesting is how they're connecting it to history.

Totally, Vivian Goldman, the punk historian, mentioned mapping out a global lineage of women in music.

That gives it depth.

And it makes it clear that this isn't a retrospective event.