Vincent Lloyd

We're going to have a conversation when we launch the book on the 22nd.

And I think that's part of what I'd love to explore with kind of the... with Vincent Lloyd, who wrote the introduction, but also with Paul Harvey, who's written a really good biography of Thurman, is, yeah, how much do we make of Thurman as a Baptist? I mean, he pastors Baptist churches for the first part of his career, never quite gets away from, I think, a lot of those themes.

But so I count, I'm gonna count him.

I'll count him as like a good exemplar of Baptist nonviolence.