Vincent Bugliosi

So I had the same issue with a three-, four-page chapter in the book.

So rather than try to address all of the many claims, because that's already been done ad nauseum, and I give Bugliosi's book as a reference here, among other references, of course.

What I did in that chapter was simply to talk about kind of how and why these theories appear, why people want to believe them.

You know, some topics are just too deep to even dip your toe into without seeming like you're doing a slipshod job.

Yeah.

And the movie and the book by Vincent Bugliosi.

Yeah.

And so now we're in August of 69.

Here's what that leaves out.

The timeline comes from Vincent Bugliosi, the Los Angeles prosecutor who put Manson away.

He said Manson was on Cole Street from about April to July of 1967.

Other accounts keep him there into the fall.

And so it was never there was never you know, why let the truth get in the way of a good story? And there's a lot of that, too.

But Mr. Mr. Bugliosi never had to prove why anybody did anything, just that they did it.

And people really resent him for that.

But it doesn't really matter.

was on manson he's full of crap

yeah well but bugliosi was full of crap about a lot of things and he was he was a dirty dirty bastard when it came to handling a lot of things behind the scenes nobody knew about it but uh o'neill o'neill dug it up which uh that's why i love his work file it's he he left a lot of stuff out of that book too Because, you know, probably the legal department didn't allow it.

But there was a lot of stuff going on.

I mean, he's throwing women down the steps that he knocked up on the side and all kinds of stuff.

And we go to 1976 with a real-life horror film that scared the dickens out of me.

Helter Skelter, the film version of the Vincent Bugliosi...

Or is it Bugliosi? I never knew for sure.

The retelling of the Charles Manson, the murders of Sharon Tate and friends and the LaBiancas as well the next night.

And then there's what Hatami said happened afterwards.

He says, Whitson and Bugliosi pressured him.

They threatened to deport him if he didn't tell it the way that they wanted him to tell it.

Hatami was from Iran.

So I want to talk about the official story, though, because if you go through the Helter Skelter book and the cracks in it, even if you set aside CIA stuff, you know, the O'Neill, whatever.

First is the motive.

Bugliosi's whole theory is that Manson believed a race war was coming, that the Beatles were sending him messages in a white album, and that he sent his followers out to kill white people and frame the Black Panthers.

And Helter Skelter O'Neill says that this was a sales pitch, and Bugliosi needed a motive that jury could understand, and he got one.

And I think it actually distracted from further investigating other leads, other possibilities.

In 1973, when Vincent Bugliosi wrote the book Helter Skelter, which of course is one of the most famous true crime books ever written, He actually, at the end of the book, he actually names what he believes are other potential victims.

Because there has certainly always been the theory that there were more victims.

And Charles Manson and his followers bragged about that.

So Vincent Bugliosi named... what he believed were other potential victims and he named jane jane doe number 59 as one one of those potential victims so again that's why her story got very closely associated with with manson and why when i you know decided to to take this on certainly had to go into that that deep dive that horrible rabbit hole to say okay yeah is is there any truth to this you know is there anything that's been left out, or was that just something that, again, because of timing, became closely associated?

Well, this is a gruesome question, but at the time, was Mulholland Drive a dumping ground for anybody at that point? Had they found other bodies in the past?

Yes, I talk about that.

But I tried to steer clear of as, as much of the sort of dark stuff as I could and still, still get a handle on who that woman was.

And was Vincent Bugliosi on set?

Yes.

Yeah.