How have they been finding that if this was the first time that they were doing this?

Yes, I think there's quite a lot of surprise in actually how big some of the pay gaps are, particularly with small groups.

And some of that's just mathematical issues.

And actually, some of it's completely explainable.

But it is actually quite a, I think, has been quite a shock.

Because a lot of companies, you think about the UK, we've got the gender pay gap reporting, and then the same in Ireland, similar thing.

There's some other things like that that are in other countries.

And so there's a lot that pay history that before we even started talking about pay gaps that lives in pay systems today, which does make it very hard to explain and get to really understand why pay gaps are existing.