Ignorance is just lack of knowledge.

I try to approach it from a place of neutral inquiry before anything else.

I like that term.

Yeah.

Because if you first just ask questions, well, have you heard about trans people? And often you can then address it from that perspective.

Because if you don't know what someone's heard, if you don't know what someone's been exposed to, it can be very difficult to address it.

So for instance, I've had conversations where people have mentioned trans videos they've seen online of a trans woman crashing out.

So what do you have to say, and this is something that we fight against on this show, not fight against, but we try to shine a light of truth on it, about the Christian nationalists who view people who aren't exactly the way they are as some type of a demon spawn.

Ignorance is just lack of knowledge.

I try to approach it from a place of neutral inquiry before anything else.

I like that term.

Yeah.

Because if you first just ask questions, well, have you heard about trans people? And often you can then address it from that perspective.

Because if you don't know what someone's heard, if you don't know what someone's been exposed to, it can be very difficult to address it.

So for instance, I've had conversations where people have mentioned trans videos they've seen online of a trans woman crashing out.

So what do you have to say, and this is something that we fight against on this show, not fight against, but we try to shine a light of truth on it, about the Christian nationalists who view people who aren't exactly the way they are as some type of a demon spawn.

So I would probably suspect and have a hunch that through your walking through life on your life journey, you've met many people who have had contempt prior to investigation.

I would say that's definitely the case.

One thing that I've always prided myself on is being able to connect with people who haven't been exposed to trans people.

When I was working at a small startup in Pittsburgh, I actually ended up in a position of authority, sort of having people report to me who had never even met a trans person before.

And it was very interesting being in the position of someone just being terrified, not really being sure what to say.

and encountering certain ignorant statements and having to kind of just figure out how to reframe things.

I had one coworker of mine at a startup in Pittsburgh who I had to have a hard conversation with him about some of the things that he had said to me.

And number two, that they feel that their child is going to be discriminated or physically hurt in some way.