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Sep 9, 2026
Jeff CantalupoGUEST
And is there an innovation platform around NA Beer that can actually kind of deliver on that? for the NA beer consumer.
Jeff CantalupoGUEST
And so that's an example of pure consumer obsession at the center of what they were building, but a business model through the vertical integration that actually reflects kind of the innovation that I think is needed to kind of get the craving of what consumers want.
Erika DuceyHOST
Yeah, let's lean in on that vertical integration for a minute.
Erika DuceyHOST
So, you know, a lot of beverage founders, they're told to stay asset light and, you know, not have huge CapEx expenditures.
Erika DuceyHOST
What are the conditions in which owning production becomes an advantage instead of a burden?
Jeff CantalupoGUEST
It's a great question, Erica, and I would argue that this kind of ebbs and flows in the world of investing, right? I've been investing since 2010 now, and I've seen dramatic shifts in terms of what investors want to see from consumer entrepreneurs.
Jeff CantalupoGUEST
At one point early in my investing, it was like, yeah, Vertical integration is great.
Jeff CantalupoGUEST
It means you're doing something hard.
John BowmanHOST
And I think if you've been fast-forwarding my segment, hoping to get to Aaron, I think this is where is maybe the most important part of my segment that just I could ask for your attention back for a minute.
John BowmanHOST
Because I think this horizontal and vertical integration of the incumbents and the infrastructure builders makes this cycle unlike any other and harder to predict, right? as a result.
John BowmanHOST
Now, I'm not saying it's different this time, but it is a little bit different this time, at least so far.
John BowmanHOST
So not only is this allowing these titans to better position themselves for the future, it also allows them to address and sometimes remove dependent constraints, I might call it, for the technology to be more widely adopted.
John BowmanHOST
And so Newman concludes as a result of this, interestingly, and this maybe flies in the face and challenges, Aaron, what you've just teased out for your segment, the eventual app layer that's built on top of the rails, unlike the dot-com era, will not be available to new entrants because these well-capitalized builders will simply gobble them up.
John BowmanHOST
They'll move downstream.
John BowmanHOST
And they can do that either through predatory pricing or vertical integration, the acquisition spree I kind of mentioned a few moments ago.
John BowmanHOST
So if Newman is right, what will that mean for domain-specific LLMs like Harvey and Law or Cursor or Cognition in coding or Bloomberg in finance? Or how about the apps, and I'm sure you'll cover this, that are for specific purposes or have wrappers on them, Perplexity, Ramp, Rogo, Inflection AI, Palantir, Portrait, or Data Clouds, Data Lake Enablement, Databricks, Coreweave, Snowflake.
Chris GerlacherHOST
I want to turn to those.
Chris GerlacherHOST
Why is vertical integration one of these increasingly hot topics in the industry right now?
Dorothy DeWittGUEST
Yeah, it's funny.
Dorothy DeWittGUEST
It's like with anything.
Dorothy DeWittGUEST
You know, when we designated CalShee in 2020, they were doing a lot of new types of contracts, but it really took to 2025 for it to be headline news.
Dorothy DeWittGUEST
And all the issues that we were addressing at first impression are issues that are at issue in litigation and other things.
Dorothy DeWittGUEST
And the same thing with vertical integration.
Dorothy DeWittGUEST
Vertical integration has been an issue for 10 years or more.
speaker_2HOST
And to close the loop completely, the original author of the books, Jennifer L. Armentrout, is also attached as an executive producer.
speaker_3HOST
What we are observing here is the aggressive implementation of vertical integration by a publishing entity.
speaker_3HOST
I
speaker_2HOST
mean, this is basically vertical integration on steroids, right?
speaker_3HOST
Absolutely.
speaker_3HOST
To understand how radical this is, you really have to compare it to the traditional model.
speaker_3HOST
Precisely.
speaker_3HOST
Premeditated is proving to Amazon that they hold the keys to a fiercely loyal consumer base.
Scott LeuneHOST
I don't want to say you're reminding me of a company right now, but I don't mean to say this company is like your company.
Scott LeuneHOST
But what you share is this almost vertical integration, owning the vertical pieces of it.
Scott LeuneHOST
So Ikea, Ikea owns land.
Scott LeuneHOST
They grow their own trees.
Andre ZeitounGUEST
um than a than a batch process and so so we were the first to kind of take that and and convert it to a continuous process and now we have we have ip around that um and so now what happened now to answer your question about did we you know We started this way.
Andre ZeitounGUEST
Do we have any intentions of going back? And I would say it was a non-permanent pivot because what happened was, consistent with our vertical integration strategy, we were aware of another deposit of Falloisite nearby our other one, which is now what we call Silicon Ridge.
Andre ZeitounGUEST
Mm-hmm.
Andre ZeitounGUEST
and we um we knew that that deposit was not a very pure source of alloy site um but really where our expertise you know lies is in the beneficiation and the processing of that we know how to upgrade it we know how to remove the impurities you know from that material and um and so we took a we took a chance on the silicon ridge property um you know by lease we initially took 4 000 acres We went out and we started trenching the deposit just over, it was June of last year.
Chris BerryHOST
Right.
Chris BerryHOST
I mean, once once the project is built, then you sort of move towards production and ideally scale.
Chris BerryHOST
You've got this kind of second layer of revenue or to your point, vertical integration, which is something I want to talk about.
Chris BerryHOST
that makes it an even more kind of robust business model.
LeahHOST
So put all these threads together and you get a highly unstable feedback loop.
LeahHOST
Vertical integration and Chinese open weights drive inference costs towards zero.
LeahHOST
Cheap inference makes speculative parallel agent deployment economically irresistible to enterprise teams.
TomHOST
But agent reliability hasn't improved.
Emma StruttHOST
And I think, I guess some of our listeners will be, they'll understand competition and different organizations working in the same space.
Emma StruttHOST
What happens when you start throwing, we've made reference to already vertical integration where companies start going up and down a supply chain rather than just operating in one level.
Emma StruttHOST
How does that complicate things or maybe make things different?
Phil HowardGUEST
Vertical integration is just one way that these firms break their barriers that were preventing growth before.
Phil HowardGUEST
Usually, concentration is measured horizontally when a firm buys out a close competitor, but a firm can also buy an upstream supplier or a downstream customer.
Phil HowardGUEST
What that does is it eliminates markets that previously existed.
Phil HowardGUEST
And as you have less and less competition, the firm has more and more control over price, more and more power to say, take it or leave it.
Phil HowardGUEST
You know, if it's a monopoly or a shared monopoly, you know, customers or sellers have very few options, but to deal with that big firm at some point.
speaker_1NARRATOR
The group sees NVIDIA moving up and down the stack, not just selling chips, but helping shape the software ecosystem that drives demand for those chips.
speaker_0NARRATOR
Vertical integration becomes the recurring strategy, whether it's an AI lab, a chip maker, or an autonomous vehicle platform.
speaker_0NARRATOR
Take Waymo's redesigned robotaxi and lower cost hardware stack as another example of that vertical turn.
speaker_1NARRATOR
The discussion also widens to data centers where public opposition is rising and trust is thin.
speaker_4UNKNOWN
But that means they also need to work together with very conservative customers, like cement, mining, fuel thermal, for example.
speaker_4UNKNOWN
So I was wondering if you could share your take on vertical integration.
speaker_4UNKNOWN
What if they become the mining company or become the cement company instead? so that they control the speed of scaling.
speaker_4UNKNOWN
What do you think about that approach, and is that a feasible scaling path for some of the companies in your portfolio? It
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