What do you, what's your opinion now as a psychiatrist of the future for, for that, for treating depression, anxiety, all that kind of stuff?

Uh, well, the studies on depression are in their very early stages, but I, I reckon psilocybin's going to be...

You know, it's, at the moment it's going for a cure-all for everything, for every human condition from pain to, um, sorrow to bereavement, everything.

Psychosis even.

But I, I think psilocybin, for certain people, my experience, my opinion, uncorroborated, okay? This is, uh, from my experience, I think it's particularly good, [laughs] particularly good for people who are, um, caught up in an internal loop of neurosis.

And, um, sometimes it's very difficult for these people to engage in therapy because they actually cannot get outside of their own heads.

And-

Okay.