Vernon Jordan

Um, and she later testified to the investigators, yeah, that, uh, that wanted to...

That they wanted her to secretly record her conversations with Betty Currie, Vernon Jordan, and possibly with Clinton himself.

So they were trying to turn her, um, to the prosecution side, saying, "Oh, well, we can get you off with, like, less-"

Right.

Yeah

... on the alleged relationship and on the Starr investigation.

Uh, and they are, uh, reporting that the Starr prosecutors are looking into whether Clinton and his associate, Vernon Jordan, have encouraged Lewinsky to lie about her relationship-

Yeah

I don't know if I'll ever have it see the light of day, but it's, it's called Letters to Mom.

And, um, it comes from an interaction that I had, um, with the late Vernon Jordan the summer before I went, moved to Paraguay when I was 22 years old.

And, um, I was headed to Paraguay, and I saw Vernon at a cocktail party in Martha's Vineyard, and Vernon said, "Willy, you're going to, you're going to Paraguay." And I said, "I am." And he said, "You gotta do me a favor." And I said, "What's that, Vernon?" And he said, "You need to write your mother every week." He goes, "That's the one thing I ask of you, is write your mother every week." And back then, most people listening to this who are younger than you and I are, Evan, and you're younger than I am, um, don't remember that back in 1989 when I moved to Paraguay, not only was there no email, not only was there no internet, but you actually couldn't even afford to call back to the United States 'cause the phone calls were so expensive.

And so as a result of it, the only way you could communicate was through snail mail.

And then I was at a party with Jack.

I was at Vernon Jordan's house, and he was a huge civil rights activist and also an investment banker.

Only person in the world who was both of those things at the same time, but he was.

[laughs]

We're all winners, and she's a loser." So I was cowering in the corner, and Jack kept on trying to shove me into conversations, like pushing me towards, like, Madeleine Albright, and I was like, "No, she doesn't wanna speak to the loser."

[laughs]

And, um, right at that moment, uh, Vernon Jordan came over to us, and he was 6'5", and he was towering over us, and he said, um, "Jack, I understand that your, um, uh, new wife likes art.

Um, I wanna show her a beautiful painting in the next room." And so he led me to the next room, and we're standing in front of this absolutely disgusting painting, and I think, "Okay, now, great.