Vengevine

The first is putting it into Hogak, like you said, but just not with Arclight.

Basically, what it does is you can get rid of Vengevine.

Because once you...

I mean, you don't have to play green anymore, so you can go mono black if you want.

Rumble is good, yeah.

But you are still in green afterwards.

And I mean, for Vengevine, it doesn't really matter if you're playing green or not.

Yeah, but...

I played that for quite a while longer.

And then one of my favorite decks ever was this Vengevine deck where it's like you get them all back from the graveyard if you play two creature spells.

But Bloodbred Elf, if it cascades into a creature, counts as two creature spells.

So all the Vengevines come back.

It was just me making different versions of that deck for a long time.

And that's like very fond memories for me, playing competitively, winning some games, losing a lot of games.

This card is so fun to brew with in Modern.

this card comes back with Vengevine if you cast two zero mana artifact creatures.

Yeah.

The walking ballistas for zero that you would do in like the Vengevine decks where you would just like, just try to churn as much of your deck into the graveyard as possible.

And then like, try to play like hollow one plus a zero mana artifact creature.

Well, now if we just commit more to the zero mana artifact creatures or the walking ballistas, we can just like play walking ballistas and, They both die.

We get back all of our Vengevines and all of our Phoenixes.

That's crazy.

If you ooze, indeed you lose.

But you can't Vengevine, but you can Loyal Retainers into an Iona.

That's something you can do.

You can Natural Order into a Progenitus.