Varun Sivaram

That has nothing to do with the, the stuff, the brilliant stuff that I heard Jigar and Caroline talking about this morning on a podcast they just did recently about all the opposition and all the failure to recognize people's interest, which I thought was fascinating, that's, uh, creating this backlash against AI.

But in terms of the operational issue, I'm really excited about seeing what, uh, Varun Sivaram and Emerald AI can do, uh, with this project that they're about to, uh, go online with, I think, in Virginia.

And I believe Jigar probably knows more about that than I do, so don't you have a conversation with him planned coming up, Jigar? What do you think? D- Is this something that we can do to integrate this stuff with less pain and less hoopla?

hoopla?Well, we certainly can, right? And I think the utility companies are absolutely have their backs against the wall, and so for a lot of ideas that they were previously against, I mean, they're now magically for.

So that brings us to this interview that I did at, at an event that I believe you were involved in here at the World Economic Forum.

Uh, his name is Varun Sivaram.

Uh, what was he doing in Geneva?

The World Economic Forum hosted an energy forum at our headquarters in Geneva in September.

Varun Sivaram, uh, served as one of the co-chairs for, for this event.

And what it did is it brought together stakeholders from across the, the energy spectrum to discuss challenges with, with current energy systems, to discuss joint solutions, and to kind of facilitate partnerships across the energy space that can take forward these types of solutions.

He's a very interesting person.

But if you look at his CV, he's had all kinds of interesting jobs in industry and at the policy level, uh, in the United States, in India.