Val Plumwood

Or even just an acceptance of the fact that how life and death function to some extent.

So I know that your quote comes from Val Plumwood.

So in our whole conversation about edibility, she's got a strong relationship with and thoughts on edibility.

So why don't we switch to your quote now?

Yeah, I mean, I just very quickly explain why I absolutely love this quote.

And it makes me laugh and it makes me think because Val Plumwood, everyone will know, was a really important eco-feminist writer, challenging the mastery of humanity and dominion and so on.

She was also a woman who was nearly killed by a crocodile.

in a kayak trip in northern australia and this is from an essay called meeting the predator where she's writing about this experience of nearly being killed by a crocodile and i'm gonna it's quite a long quote if i'm allowed i'm gonna edit out some bits of it um but it just it's Anyway, I'll read it and we can talk about it.

They eat rotting flesh.

And I think it was Val Plumwood who wrote, you know, she was attacked famously by a crocodile.

And she said that that kind of shifted for her, her understanding of how ecology works.

Right.

Yeah.

So I ended up using a lot of the work of the Australian eco-feminist philosopher Val Plumwood, not to get too into the weeds of it, but basically she just had this really incredible analysis of like the logic of oppression, specifically the ways that if you have power over somebody or something, the ways that it benefits you to think of that person or that thing so that you can exploit them and you see these same basic patterns of logic or patterns of construal across all these different forms of oppression across all these things and when i read all these testimonies of intimate partner abuse survivors looking for those patterns i was just like oh they're all here they're all here all the time uh and so when people talk about intimate partner abuses you know, intimate oppression, domestic oppression.

I don't think that's just a colorful metaphor.

I think that is really putting a finger on the logic that they share.