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going for the screen very, very slowly, generating that image for you.

But by that time, there are not so many people who actually were capable to use these programs, right? It was a 3D Max with V-Ray and V-Ray just started.

So it was a very good way to start earning money as a student that allowed me, yeah, basically always do something extra for myself.

And that allows me also to, you know, find jobs in the future easily because I already had really good software skills.

So we actually, our tools have progressed in a way that allows the user to stick straight up in SketchUp now and literally do an entire deal without even needing CAD at all.

And we do see that being the trend is there's a lot more reliance on Lumion and some V-Ray stuff and D5 and these rendered applications that allow the users to show their clients these realistic, I'm going to step inside the model and see what it's going to look like expectations.

So we definitely see 3D being kind of a more prominent focus, you know, in the industry for sure.

Yeah, I mean, that's a great segue into the AI topic.

And then to your point, it might be a no today, but it could be a yes in three months or six months or nine months.

I wanted to know how the users of an industry stalwart like V-Ray are reacting to all this.

Not just to new standalone tools showing up, but to AI working its way directly into the platform they already trust.

Roderick Bates and Chaos are caught in the middle of all that.

If we're going to be doing AI visualization and it's going to be integrated into Enscape and V-Ray, it's got to be something that we know hits the standard of those users.

And that could be pretty challenging because those V-Ray users are really picky.

And we are seeing, however, that the receptivity from a use perspective is actually pretty high.

We're above our target for AI visualization that's been now embedded into our V-Ray software.