And with the mammals, at least Carlo Rondinini clearly said, "Well, spare land for nature." How do you see this for plants?

I would say we need, of course, both.

We, we need to spare some land, and we already have this system in Europe with the Natura 2000 network that we spare the sites where rare or protectable habitats occur.

And of course, we also have to diversify the land we use, so to make it more sustainable.

So i-if you talk about farming land, this can also be more diverse than it is at the moment.

Of course, then the farmers would have to accept that maybe some unwanted plants would be in their crop fields, but that would tremendously increase the connectivity of all the natural systems we have.

If these huge amounts of area we have currently cultivated with these monocultures, they were just allowed to be a bit more species-rich, then this was-- would connect the spared, uh, land we have protected.

So that means these shared areas might provide a chance to also increase the yield stability in Germany and Europe as a whole.