Uri Sagi

And Shamil went there.

I remember in February, March of 1991, after the Gulf War, the chief of intelligence, Uri Sagi, who is still with us, comes to me or to the secretary, to the military secretary and says, I think that Assad is ready for negotiations.

Hafez al-Assad.

Hafez al-Assad, the father of the eye doctor.

This is what to put some footnote at Camp David, the last day, Clinton had another offer to say that we agreed on ABC, almost everything but Jerusalem.

And he asked the guy who passed away, Arikat, to go to Arafat and say, will you agree to this? And Arafat, and Arikat comes back.

I sit with Amnolipin Shakhaka, our chief of staff, who is now dead, unfortunately, and with Mohammad Akhlan, who is still alive.

And he hears that Arafat says no.