Under Secretary of Education

Join us now is Gary Bauer.

Bauer served in President Ronald Reagan's administration for eight years as Undersecretary of Education and Chief Domestic Policy Advisor.

Today, he serves as President of American Values, an educational nonprofit organization right there in Washington, D.C. He's also Senior Vice President of Public Policy for the Dr. James Dobson Family Institute.

Gary, welcome back.

Yeah, no, I agree with that.

And it was really striking to me that the current Undersecretary of Education, Nicholas Kent, and his colleagues have been very, very public about the idea that this both-and proposition of mentored paid work exists.

accounting for academic credit should be a standard.

It's not controversial.

Now it's Gary Bauer.

Bauer served in President Ronald Reagan's administration for eight years as Undersecretary of Education and Chief Domestic Policy Advisor.

Today he serves as President of American Values, an educational nonprofit organization right there in Washington, D.C. He's also Senior Vice President of Public Policy for the Dr. James Dobson Family Institute.

Gary, welcome back.

Joining us now is Gary Bauer.

He served in President Ronald Reagan's administration for eight years as Undersecretary of Education and Chief Domestic Policy Advisor.

Today, he serves as president of the American Values, an educational nonprofit organization right there in Washington, D.C. He's also Senior Vice President of Public Policy for the Dr. James Dobson Family Institute.

Gary, welcome back.

Yeah.

When you start to add up those, I recently interviewed the Undersecretary of Education.

He called it a belt with suspenders.

Lots of suspenders, he called it.