Turing test

He's a programmer.

works for a search engine company called blue book they can knock off on google and he wins a office contest to spend a week with the ceo i wouldn't think of anything worse than spending a week with my boss but anyways so he gets shipped off into obviously your archetypal i guess nowadays you'd still consider them kind of villain-esque a ceo of a big tech company where it turns out he's brought him in for a special test a special type of Turing test because he's been building AI in the form of a robot named Ava.

And she's very aware that she's artificial intelligence and it's about whether or not she has consciousness in a way that we'd kind of associate with the Turing test.

And obviously after a while, it all gets a bit, what would you expect from one of these films? A little bit of dark twists and turns if we kind of explore, you know, whose rights have been impeded upon her in this case, you know, who has sentience and who can decide who gets to kind of live and develop.

It's a really interesting film.

But everything he does is cool because...

i think that's

part of the trick of the movie is he's right with you know we're in spoilers territory it's shown to be quite misogynistic towards his female staff and towards his and and always creating was say model like because all of the women who played the the machines and things and the parts of the model were all models of some description or so and the misdirection is to make like okay he's evil because he's a misogynist but then then that jumps away from the fact that what we're talking about is a machine and have we decided this machine has rights has rights as life because i think there's the the kind of go that the turing testing and he says well the new turing test is i'll tell you it's a machine and you will want to believe the ascension anyway and then we as the viewer it's almost like the meta point is we're told, like persuaded into rooting for the machine, but we haven't yet decided if that is really consciousness or if it has rights.

But in any case, it looks like it does some intelligent looking things.

And there was a time when Turing said, if it can do all this stuff, then we might as well say that it's conscious.

And now, of course, we're very, very... reluctant to do that.

So they're going to take as the null hypothesis, this whole stochastic parrot idea that we've already given and Ned Block's blockhead idea, which sounds a lot like Searle's Chinese room, which is that it's ingested all this text and now it's spitting it back out.

So if we're up to me, I would just start us a compositionality.

Sure.

Let me throw in something about Turing, just since I just reviewed that paper that we read so long ago for our Philosophy of Mind episode 21, where he introduced the Turing test.

Well, we call it the Turing test, but he called the imitation game.

Yeah, it was all about having a conversation with the computer.

And if at the end of the conversation you thought you were having a conversation with a person, it had passed the Turing test.

That's it.

Yeah.

It, you know, it, it's interesting.

A lot of this goes back to the Turing test.

Yeah.

Uh, and Turing himself, I recently reread that paper of Turing's, uh, Computing Machine, Computing Machinery and Intelligence, I think it was called, and he s- you know, s- says that if you can't tell the difference between the output of this thing and a human, then it really is intelligent.

And at the very end, he says, "Well, but do you know whether it's conscious or not?" He says, "Oh, that's a completely different question.

We never can really be sure that any other creature-

And intel- intelligence and consciousness are confounded by a lot of people.

Yeah.

We chat about this all night.

But what is a soul? And as intelligent as AI is, and how you can have it pass the Turin test, and you can literally believe it's human, it hasn't got the soul to understand the compassion side.

No.

It could be sentient and self-aware.