Troy Van Leeuwen

I was really only mentioning them because it's the Stone Age episode.

And so there's the Troy Van Leeuwen connection.

This time I'm mentioning Failure because they're an alt rock band.

So generally a different sound, but they are very good at blending that atmospheric feeling into their music.

Alan Johans, who the band has called a musical genius, and he went on to record works with Mark Lanigan on his projects.

Natasha Snyder, Troy Van Leeuwen.

Troy Van Leeuwen produced some of the Korn albums later on.

Did he? Okay.

I thought you were just

Mm.

Saying that, Troy Van Leeuwen had his Squire 12, um, come out, uh, recently, but yeah, 12-strings have kind of disappeared, I feel.

If they were ever there.

You ever owned a 12?

Yeah.

I think they're great.

And, you know, thinking, like, like you said, like Troy Van Leeuwen, like all those bands where there's just, like, you're allowed to create these enormous soundscapes, you know? Like, like it, it's surprising to me that, you know, that there haven't been loads of, like, idols songs with 12-strings-

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