In the founders you've worked with, people you know and walked with, have you seen this need to cope, whether it be substance or whether it be just spending money? Sometimes when things aren't going well in their business, how do you see this play out?

You get lucky to be in this men's group called Wake Up Warrior with this guy, Garrett J.

White.

Garrett's crazy.

What he did that was amazing is he got every guy in that room to tell the truth.

He got them to be real raw and relevant was his language.

And then no matter how cocky, and some of these guys, they're like, you'll know, I can't, I'm not going to say names now, but you'll know the names.

What were the causes of it? How did you get to that place?