Trinidad Navarro

It's just the pricing has changed a little bit.

There's a lot of pressure on Navarro of Delaware, who's a former cop, who's all of a sudden probably I need to figure out what these guys are saying.

He made a statement to bring in people to tell him what's happening besides the insurance companies and their lawyers, because that's also where the entire Guggenheim group went through.

which is a good example of the affiliate paper nonsense, the reinsurance.