Trim tab

Above all, this is a conversation about agency that we all have as individuals.

From a man who is a true trim tab in the world of sustainable built environments.

I invite you to enjoy this very candid and warm conversation with Patrick Bailiw, who I've had the great pleasure of working with over many, many years.

And honestly, today he shares incredible insights that I believe every built environment leader needs to know.

So it's not my, I shouldn't, I don't have to worry about it.

So I guess that's probably the thing, I would say, that getting people to take responsibility for themselves, to feel like they have some, that every action has a reaction.

I can't find myself back at Buckminster Fuller in Trim Tab.

You know his Trim Tab thing?