[laughs]

'Cause, 'cause if that's...

If we're looking, uh, 'cause of solely my mates, it will definitely be Bongi Mbonambi.

But, uh, for the... for what we're trying to...

And I, I hear, Curty, I think Malcolm has also won, um, World Rugby Player of the Year, so you...

It's hard to, to argue that, to argue that one.

But if you had to, uh, solely pick as from someone who I actually just fully enjoyed watching as a hooker, for me, Bismarck du Plessis.

[laughs]

Like, what does make him so good at doing what he's able to do?

For me, is, is, is, is just aawk- awkward character.

Like, y- you, like, y- the usual things that would work on a, on a usual, uh, loosehead, uh, doesn't work with him.

I think he's got one of...

Uh, he lo- he, he looks like he's constantly wearing a big jacket on top with them legs, the little, little tiny legs.

But, uh, his, his back is so strong.

He looks like he's under pressure.

[laughs]

So how hungry are South Africa and the fans, and I suppose, what is the, the talk of the town? Is everyone excited about England rolling in town, or would they be excited if it was anyone? You know, if it was Scotland, Wales, or do England bring that sort of, uh, excitement because of the back of the Six Nations and they haven't met for a couple of years?

Yeah, I think, I think South Africans are very much excited.

Uh, the, it is, the fact that it is England, first of all, we've been- We haven't met them in, uh, in quite some time, and, uh, yeah, it was like two giants that wanna ... two heavyweight boxers that haven't met in a very long time, and when they, when it's time for them to, to go collide, I think, uh, every- even everyone in the general public gets excited, and you, you, you wanna be present for that game and see what the, the boys are, are going to produce.

And the quality that England is, um, these, these are the games you want South Africa to constantly, or the teams that you want South Africa to constantly play against.

Uh, and, uh, 'cause for, for, for you to remain who you are, or if you gonna be named number two, number three, number one in the world, you have to play the best teams, uh, constantly.

And obviously there's a lot of things that are going on with, uh, with, with, um, sp- specific players, and people are excited to see the Pollocks coming to South Africa, the, the, the great players that are, are within the Eng- English side.

And, uh, it's not, it's not often, it's not like players, uh, South Africans see week in, week out, like players they play in, we play against in the URC.

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But before we get into the, the big chunk of it, like, before the tournament started, what was ex- the expectations on us to, yeah, in, in the 2019 season?

Oof.

Could see that was a ...

Yeah, I think we, we went into the World Cup, I think we were sixth in the world.

And, and to be, to be honest, I, I've, it felt, it almost felt like, um, expectation was we just at least get out of the group stages.

You know? Maybe a semifinal would, would be, would be acceptable.

And I don't think, I don't think everyone looked at us as a threat at all.

That's amazing

Trev, we've got to ask, how is your injury?

Yeah, that one is a bit of a tough one because obviously I got injured last year in February.

So I ruptured my Achilles against the bulls.

But I had a bit of complications with it.

So it was on my left one, my left Achilles.

I had a bit of complications with it.

And it took the wound, I think, three months to actually heal up and close.

But he's like, I'm obviously not going to turn down going to Vegas with Zlatan.