Tell us about the new phone.

this is huge so uh normally at this event we get like an entry level so last year was the iphone 17 as well as the pro models this year no entry level we get an iphone 18 pro an iphone 18 pro max but then the end of the event one more thing the iphone duo a folding screen iphone now we've had folding screens before samsung's been doing it for seven years motorola oppo google they all make folding screen phones but apple's here for the first time with an iPhone that opens up.

So it's a shape of a passport.

It's the size of a passport.

And you've got this lovely little screen on the front.

But when you open it up, your kind of apps just kind of magically transform to that inside screen, which is about 7.6 inches, like an iPad mini, if you like.

I've got to tell you, I had a bit of a hands-on with it earlier.

What about Apple intelligence, they're calling it, or their use of AI? How is it changing with this?

That's

right.

It was a long time ago.

Come on, let them go.

So Samsung only two months ago released their Fold 8, which is the size of a passport.

And Apple's is exactly the same size.

But I would say to this, and look, I'll annoy Samsung pretty heavily here, but I'll say this, having just held it in my hand for five or 10 minutes earlier today, the iPhone Duo, it's spectacular.

Now, is there anything else other than just folding? Like, is there stronger cameras? What else? Surely that's not just it.

What's your take on this and how do you feel about it?

I think this is a crazy concept because first and foremost, it suggests very clearly that they accept that the under-16 social media ban didn't work.

Otherwise, why are we so strictly trying to impose changes on the content that under-18s see? I think it's a very clear acknowledgement that there are still all the kids on social media and we're worried about what they're seeing there.

And that's totally valid.

But this is where we should have been starting two years ago, is talking about the content and what kids are seeing there.

The fact that we're talking, though, about this being for everyone, so adults like you and me being in any way restricted in what we get to see or how we choose to see it, It just feels like the most nanny state tech thing that I think we've ever come up with in Australia.

I like the idea of educating people that the algorithm exists and that you can make changes.

Is that right?

Good morning,

Trev.

Morning, team.

It's a massive amount of money.

Massive.

And it's a big win for essentially parents across the globe.

I'll just say this.

Are they changing anything about that? Because to me, that's the most crucial thing.

Yeah

...

the focus on them does mean that everyone else...

Like, so the big thing here is also TikTok and YouTube, if they come on board with these same changes, will essentially legally protect themselves going forward, and only if TikTok and YouTube come forward and do the same thing will Facebook have to pay this full amount of money.

So this, there's, this links the industry together, which is a pretty good thing, but it is only in the US.

United States, uh, that, that took on, uh, Meta, and so you, you, you expect this now to roll out globally?

I think they have to.

Like, it would be, it would be absolutely insane if they do this just in those 28 states.

You Ray Banner, you idiot.

But Luke, here's my number one point about this, right? We've been talking for 30 seconds.

You think... that I'm recording you on these glasses because I told you I was.

But for this entire time, I've been holding my phone here in my hand, right? And you don't know that's not been recording that whole time as well.

You have no idea.

We've been carrying around these things, these phones, for a decade or more, and there is no indication.

I've only seen one phone.

Do you remember the X-ray glasses? And did anyone buy them and did they work?

Trevor Long, what is it all about?

Morning, lads.

This is a global emergency warning system that Australia is kind of finally implementing.

I've experienced it overseas several times, and it's meant to be used in the case of, say, natural disasters.

That's the key thing.

So cyclone warnings, flood warnings, bushfire warnings, those kind of things.

And what happens is the Emergency Services Centre can essentially send this message to a specific area based on the mobile towers you're connected to, to alert those people that there's a bushfire coming or floods now it's a critical system because it's better or it's more superior i guess you'd say than sms because it bypasses your phone's settings so if your phone is on silent and there's a bushfire coming and someone sends an sms you won't see it you won't hear it you won't know about it but with this ozalert system no matter what phone setting you're on silent do not disturb whatever it will make this sound and trust me It's a loud sound.

Now, don't know a lot about this, so we asked our tech expert, Trevor

Trevor, how does all this work?

Mike, this is, as the minister said, this is a technology used around the world and it uses the mobile cell towers to target people.

Now, the sound that you'll hear on your phone is not like anything you've heard before.

I'll give you a listen to just what it sounds like.

And that will go on for 10 seconds on your phone and you cannot stop it, you cannot turn it off.

The only way, as Pete said, is to avoid it, is to have your phone switched off or in airplane mode.

It bypasses your phone settings so that if your phone's on silent, you'll still get the alert.

What do you make of his plan? Can it succeed?

Honestly, going into this, Andrew, I thought it was going to be a nothing speech, but I do like the fact that he set targets that will appease the community when it comes to electricity and water for these big data centres.

I do like the fact that it does make it enticing for big tech companies to have a conversation here.

And while I'm not a fan of bureaucracy, at least they're all going to know who to call with an office looking after these things.

The question is, what does it really add to AI in Australia? And what does it add to a tech company to choose Australia? You know, there's no real negative because they haven't got to pay more to be here.

They've got to pay those big costs when they go to America or anywhere else.

I think what we should be doing is pushing the fact that we're a bit unique and we do have a bit of sovereignty.

Talk about how AI could change us for the worse than what the government should do about that.

Can you give me an understanding of what the difference between the two are?

Yeah.

I think it's a tough one because an e-bike, um, the first e-bike I reviewed looked like a mountain bike, but it had a really fat frame.

That's because there was a battery built into the frame, and what you got from that battery [notification sound] was a little bit of assistance when you're riding.

And, and this is, you know, 8, 10 years ago.

It was amazing because a- as someone who doesn't cycle a lot, I could take this bike out and even when approaching a big hill, the electric assistance would kick in, so I just kept pedaling and it didn't feel like I was going up a big hill.

It just felt like it was a bit easier for me.

How does that even happen, and how do we know if an e-bike, say we're purchasing one secondhand, how do we know if it's been tampered with?

Mm.

Optus and TPG probably look at it from a perspective of saying, "L- l- look, I think we could probably handle it, but we'd need the rules to change on spectrum." So basically the government would need to change so much about how they allocate spectrum and use spectrum that I just don't see it ever happening.

And while I respect ACANN, the people that are pushing this in, in many ways, I think the horse has bolted, Paul.

The ACCC voted against it, and it's their fault that we don't have it.

So we should be having an inquiry if we want into why the ACCC denied consumers true competition 10 years ago, and it would've changed the game.

[laughs]

So he can wait until tomorrow, right? So those calls can wait.

We need people to be able to call Triple Zero.

Yeah

... yeah, the screw, um, is a little lens.

So literally a camera lens.

And I can be standing anywhere in the world and I can a- ask Meta, so I can say, "Hey, Meta, take a photo.

Hey, Meta, take a video." Or there's a button on the side I can click to take a video or a f- or a, uh, or a f- or a photo.

Um, I can use them to listen to the radio.

So I could be walking around the streets just listening to Triple M on the Listen app.

Oh, sure

Can you give us some background into all of this?

I mean, it's a level of insanity in journalism that, look, it stems from clickbait.

Look, that's what it is.

There's a requirement these days that you create content and headlines that get people clicking.

I get it.

You've got to get traffic.

You want people to read your stuff.

DEFCON 1, DEFCON 2, DEFCON 3.

How do you feel about how we should view what happened today?

I agree.

We have to accept that these problems will continue to occur because we push the limits of technology.

Updates will fail.

There will be outages.

We just have to accept that.

And businesses, if they're upset by these things, need to build their own redundancies around how they charge people through the cashiers and how things work without a particular telco.

Should all of us be turning on that satellite backup stuff? What do you think?

Is there going to be any change at all noticeable for you?

I don't think we'll notice anything early, but John Ternus is very young.

He's 50 compared to Tim Cook, 65.

But he has been at Apple for 25 years.

So he did work under Steve Jobs.

So I think that's the big thing here is he'll still have the mindset and the legacy of Steve Jobs.

The real challenge for him is what is Apple doing about AI? Because they're basically struggling.

Do Apple need a hit? Do we need something big from Apple? Where is he going to have a fold phone? Have you heard this? That.