Trevor James Constable

... to, to pick up these objects, um, that I don't know if I would call them UFOs.

Maybe they look more like living creatures, and that, and that person being, uh, was it, uh, is it Peter James Constable? Um, think that was his first name, Peter.

Mm-hmm.

James Constable.

Tre- I'm sorry, Trevor James Constable, and, um, he was in the military, but he'd start seeing things out on sh- on boats and ships and things-

Yeah

... that they couldn't explain, and started looking into 'em, and- Got obsessed with it on how to film them and how to draw them, and they were catching a lot of-

But now you've mentioned him, I will look him up, uh, uh, um, on the internet.

And the weird thing with his pictures are that they're descending down into the ground, and they go right down from the sky downwards.

So the reason I was sort of putting it in there was because in the other book, I'd found this guy, Trevor Constable, who was a Navy veteran, and he spent 20 years studying these things in the 1950s, and he used infrared And his opinion was, you know, these things are coming down and they are taking cattle and they're taking people.

That was his opinion.

And you can't see them, as you say.

But I think it was interesting because the Air Force in the 50s as well had said that...

when they were talking about UFOs, and they said there's a possibility of the existence of some of these strange sort of E.T. animals, because many of the objects that they were seeing, they said they act more like animals than anything else.

But Trevor Constable and another guy, Michael White, who was a New Zealand photographer, and they'd found these objects, and sometimes they look like UFOs in shape as well.

Yeah.

Um, and so it goes back to the concept of the ether.

I mean, he, in, Willard, you know, he says in the film is obsessed with this, uh, book by Trevor James Constable-

Yes

... um, the-

I mean, I think that's the best outcome is that she decides to come forward and nobody, you know, twists anybody's arm or uncovers things that people don't want to be uncovered.

But yeah, dude, I absolutely hope so too.

So one rabbit hole that we kind of blew right by, we mentioned him briefly, is this dude Trevor James Constable.

Mm.