What would you say are the unique challenges that critical infrastructure organizations face when it comes to cyber threats?

A challenge that when you are a utility as an electricity company or water company or things like this, then you don't necessarily always have the latest up-to-date security capability as you would, for instance, in a bank or something like this.

This goes for utilities all across the globe, is that the way that they are generally funded is that they work on budgetary cycles, quite long budgetary cycles.

So there isn't necessarily a separate fund for cybersecurity.

And given a lot of the new legislation around the world for critical infrastructure, it's it's very difficult for those utilities to actually be able to then fund what they need to do.

So there needs to be a review of the way that a lot of cybersecurity functions are funded within utilities around the world.

Do you think that we just need to go in and rework the entire system then?

I think so.