Transformers

like, it's kind of like if you've ever seen transformers, like bumblebee can't talk.

So he scans through the radio, right? Isn't it kind of like that?

I don't know the Transformers, man.

I'm sorry.

Oh, wow.

you hate.

Transformers are based on a fucking cartoon.

What's the difference?

Cartoons are a different...

Yeah, they are.

Yeah, you're right.

But I never read a Transformers comic book.

Oh, what kind of

Um, and, and, and I understand how difficult the production hell was of, was the production hell that this had to be for damn near 30 years, you know, 140 years, 87.

So like, um, where, um, How do you do this where once Lord of the Rings shows up, how are you not Lord of the Rings? Once John Carter hits and misses, how are you not John Carter? Once the 2000s come around with Transformers and the odds, how are you not Transformers? And then by the time Guardians of the Galaxy gets here, how are you not Guardians of the Galaxy? And I think the movie just said, fuck it, let's just be everything.

Where you have...

the fantasy aspect.

When I heard Travis Knight was doing it, I had solid trust because that's a storyteller that can kind of squeeze a little bit of oomph out of things that are cheesy, um, or at least make it a little bit better cheese.

And, and Will's right.

He made the best Transformers movie short of the first one.

And, um, um, and he's, I think if I remember correctly, he's from that, like a tree in terms of like, um, you know, great, you know, good storytelling in terms of what they can do with claymation.

I didn't love it.

Then I watched Transformers for the first time.

Which one? The first one.

The very first one? Nice.

I don't know.

Everyone loves to diss on CGI, but I think people just used to handle CGI with way more care than they do now, I feel like.

And I think Transformers is a great example.

Because it looks great.

You don't know how to drive, Mr. Singh." Steve, this poster obviously upset the Sikh community, especially the timing, as they remember the first hate crime death post-9/11, a Sikh man being mistaken for being Muslim.

It was also disowned by Hasbro, the owner of the Transformers franchise.

What has the DHS had to say in response to the outrage over this?

Well, what they've done right now is they've taken down the, um, the, the, the poster and the action video, not out of remorse, um, but out of potential legal action from Hasbro.

Said you can't use Transformers, uh, and the image of them this way.

But it, but it does remind, uh, many in the Sikh community about how they were misidentified and labeled as part of the propagators of the 9/11 attacks 25 years ago.

Lots of, uh, hate crimes and harassment, uh, happened to that community, so the timing is awful.

I didn't like him.

Could have also gone with the twins from the second Transformers.

They're the worst.

No, they're funny.

Oh

no, sorry, you mentioned the robots.

Lots of characters from those Transformers movies could be listed.

Rest in peace, Peter Cullen.

Oh, that's true.

We had it in a situation where they shared opinions on whether Transformers was better than Avatar The Last Airbender.

Okay.

And you, Pax, you said it was Transformers?

Yeah.

And Aurelia said it was Airbender, and our entire audience agreed with Aurelia.

This Black Cube is everything.

Actually, the iconography is in a lot of the different Hollywood movies, like Transformers and blah, blah, blah.

It's all about the black cube, the black cube, the black cube.

You'll see that imagery everywhere.

And these people all, you know, Jess, oh my God, Jess is fantastic.

Jess Harnell, he's done so much in the industry from Transformers to the Animaniacs to...

He's just, you know, incredible.

And he took the time, just like Sean, just breaking down every little thing.