Being part of the council and presenting two councils to, to have work considered, have you felt different being on this side, being part of a, a presidency and, and, uh, having that role, um, versus having something that you've worked on go in front of a council?

Certainly it's different being a church employee versus being called to, um, to serve in the presidency of an organization.

Um, there's some things that overlap, meaning that you seek to bring whatever the Lord has allowed you to be blessed with in each of the things that He calls you to do.

I felt very much called to work for the church for, in my personal life, and to give a portion of my professional life to that.

And within that, I, I gained some unique, um, perspectives and some skills that I hopefully was able to bre- bless my time serving in the, the Primary presidency.

But, um, it was such a joy to then be asked to, to serve with President Porter and Sister Wright.

That was just, um, uh, for me, one of the choicest blessings that I've had in my life.

We have a tradition on the Church News podcast, and I would love to give you an opportunity to share, uh, one final testimony with us today and ask you, what do you know now, having served as a, the Primary General Presidency of the Church?