Tory Gavito

I'm your host, Carrie Ellebel, and today I am joined by

Tory Gavito, uh, one of the co-founders and president of Way to Win.

And Jenifer Fernandez Ancona, also co-founder and chief strategy officer of Way to Win.

Okay.

And I said, is there a point where it becomes too late? And she said, there probably is, but I'll tell you what, today it is not too late.

Tori Gavito, Sawyer Hackett, thank you both so much for being with us.

Still ahead, the whistleblower reports adding new drama into the president's fight to control the Kennedy Center.

The drama at the Kennedy Center isn't over yet, pun intended.