Torsten Bell

... has been saying, "Oh, it's probably time to, you know, sort of think the unthinkable on that." And he, Andy Burnham's former economic advisor.

The Resolution Foundation have, um, said similar things, and their former chief executive is Torsten Bell, who's now the pensions minister.

People like the OECD make predictions about the tens of billions-

Mm-hmm

... a continuity Treasury.

Torsten Bell, sorry, I forgot him as well, also still there.

Is that what the group of Labour MPs who wanted Andy Burnham to become prime minister that, so that he could change the direction of the government, in particular economically, expected?

Yeah.

And particularly in your role as a paraplanner, you know, you need to... to know that what you're writing is relevant and hopefully will remain relevant going forward in terms of your advice relative to the situation that we're in as a country.

And so I'm pleased that Torsten Bell has retained that because he had actually, leading up to the recess, summer recess, he had actually got a number of important tax over the line and it was good to see that that has been done and so i'm i'm looking forward to him taking up that role again and and continuing what he's already set because you know with one or two notable exceptions steve webb guy opperman it really has been a revolving door uh the role of pensions minister and you just lose track of who's who who is his you know so let you know i'm all for continuity definitely

Yeah, a bit of stability as well.

Yes, absolutely, yeah.

No, absolutely.

We're obviously bringing it back to the power planning world.

So a little bit of stability with Torsten Bell staying at the pension again, which is rare in the current climate.

So that is really good.

Yeah

... you have Torsten Bell, who were not part of the Morgan group, were working with you on the preparations.

One of the things which is very striking to me, and, um, obviously a lot of the detailed accounts of this come from the Patrick Maguire, Gabriel Pogrund book.

Um, they obviously talked to very many people on one side of the argument.

The prime minister faces a decision.

On the 11th of November, Torsten Bell, a treasury minister, messages Peter Mandelson.

"Very proud of what is to come.

Hope this comes off."

And I just think this is a, like, a long-going sort of civil war in Welsh rugby.

Uh, apparently Swansea council leader Rob Stewart called for Turney to resign, while Swansea m- um, MP Torsten Bell reportedly compared the WRU's behavior to a crook returning to the scene of their crime.

[laughs]

But of course, the worst thing is, um, not the closing down of clubs.