Like, what was that space like? Were there skeptics? Did people have any forethought as to where we would be now heading in toward 2027?

People didn't really know.

I mean, I didn't know.

I got into artificial intelligence because I'd been in technology and I liked math.

And I did.

I sold a company that I was CEO of that was in the mobile app platform space and specifically took a year off to investigate math.

two industries, AI and VR.

where I think everyone in the industry is trying to shift people to the light because that can be such a dangerous venture.

So, uh, just curious about notice anything in your recovery differences from 20 to 30 years ago, and maybe if you could pull on that a little bit.

Yeah, absolutely.

Great, great question.

My recoveries now are better and faster than ever before, and I'm working out now at 55 with more volume and intensity than ever.

I mean, I'm stronger, my PRs are better.

My, my last Ironman was a PR.

Uh, this one I expect right now my, my training times are much faster.

Mm-hmm

What about a pivotal moment in life that fundamentally changed your trajectory?

Um, it would have to be serving in the, in the US Navy.

Um, the Navy paid for me to go to Harvard.

I would not have been able to attend, would it have not been for the, the scholarship that I received, um, while I was in high school.

Uh, similar to the Naval Academy, I got an ROTC scholarship to Harvard.

That really opened up the doors for me to, one, be around the smartest, most hardworking, successful people that I could imagine.

I'd never seen that really level before.

Yeah

But looking back, where's the line between extraordinary resilience and refusing to listen when your body is telling you to stop? I think that's important to start.

Yeah, great question.

The day before I got hit by the car, I was undecided as to whether I was going to run an Ironman or a mini triathlon.

I had signed up for both.

I'm not unreasonable, not too stubborn.

Good contingency planner being a head firefighter, you got to have options.

So I'm not reckless.

probably a lot of them.

Yeah

...

there are millions of dollars at stake to make sure that their athletes are healthy till the end of the season, and that they come back year after year into their 30s and 40s, right? And we see that players are lasting longer now than, than they ever did.

Um, and the hits are getting harder, right? Um, so, uh, they-- what they did is they created this personal data lake for each player, and then agentic AI would run on, on top of that to help optimize different protocols and different outcomes that they wanted, like injury prevention, like nu- nutrition, muscle building, other kinds of things, endurance, you know, you can imagine.

Um, so predicting a stress fracture before it happened in a quarterback to keep them on the sidelines, um, and, you know, may- maybe for a few plays or for half a game early in the season was a good move, and they could predict that with, with AI.

Um, what we're doing at Longevity Plan is taking that general technology of the digital twin and enabling people to access it more cheaply and easier.

And we're starting off with allowing people to manage their peptide protocols.

Yeah.

Oh,

you know, there are millions of dollars at stake to make sure that their athletes are healthy till the end of the season and that they come back year after year into their 30s and 40s.

Right.

And we see the players are lasting longer now than they ever did.

And the hits are getting harder.

Right.

So they what they did is they created this personal data lake for each player and then Agentic AI would run on top of that to help optimize different protocols and different outcomes that they wanted, like injury prevention, like nutrition, muscle building, other kinds of things, endurance.

Did they then, okay, so if, just to understand, how did like Zepbound and Monjaro and Ozempic, like how did Eli Lilly and other companies make so much money off those? Because aren't those peptides and aren't those produced in the human body? So what's up with that?

You know,

I'm historically a three or four cups of coffee a day guy and I've cut that down to zero with C-Max.

In addition, you know, put this in as a sidebar, but the Reddit True Tide has also... enabled me to drink almost no alcohol.

I used to crave a beer once in a while and put on some extra pounds because of that.

Now they're finding in the clinical research that it's actually reducing folks' cravings.

Alcohol just doesn't taste good anymore.

So I'm happy without it.

Funded research, were you or do you see Longevity Plan A's own data as filling that gap?

[laughs]

No. It's absolutely my pleasure.

You know, I mean, they're both intertwined, my Ironman journey and my CEO s- uh, journey.

The Ironman journey may be most recent, so I'll, I'll bring that up.

It's something I started six years ago.

Was going through a tough divorce, and I knew that there would be, you know, a potential for depression.

A, a lot of emotional ramifications in divorce.

Great