Tony Leon

And whilst Tim Harris is a DA member, he's been a Democratic Alliance member of parliament.

The whole Tony Leon saga is there for everyone to see.

Ryan Coetzee, all of these people.

You have, I mean, and I don't want to go further.

But the linkage between, and you, in your intro, stated it very eloquently that, you know, especially private media rely on advertising.

So what is the linkage? My question is whether they looked at the linkages between Tony Leon's company, News24, Epitech and the DA.

Jay, thank you for that question.

Raisa?

But I just, you know, these things are part and parcel.

You know, big companies make donations all the time.

But no, we didn't look particularly at this nexus that the caller was discussing, Jay, about, you know, Tony Leon and his sort of PR agency and the discussion that was taking place there.

Yeah, and it's interesting.

Well, look, a lot of them have been very generous to us in fundraising and things, so I'm not going to knock them.

But, you know, Tony Leon used to always say – In my next life, I'm going to be a brain surgeon because no one keeps telling a brain surgeon how to do his job.

But if you're a politician, everyone, every single person knows how to do your job better than you do.

And that's what I live with every single day.

So the best it can do is pull the DA's reputation down to its level.

And I think that's what it's been trying to do with the, uh, slurs against, uh, Tony Leon and the, the, the attack on, on Mark Burke and, and other things.

And if it can put the DA in a vulnerable position in Johannesburg, it can create the idea in the mind of the public that the DA also couldn't govern the city properly.

They can sabotage the DA with their civil service.

If you were not, you could be included or excluded as the mood changed.

So remember he was once engaged in a correspondence with Tony Leon and he said, I don't expect you to understand this, but I, as an African, So yes, you know, African not having a legal or a constitutional definition, but a political one that could, as I say, that could exclude and include.

Now, why do I say that? Well, because what he's getting at here is the idea that black people around the world or ethnically African South Africans have a particular history of abuse, and that's That's all correct.

And conscious measures are needed to address them.