Tommy Gunn

So do you remember the scene where.

At the end, Tommy Gunn beats George, whoever that guy was, Mike Tyson 2.0 on the movie.

And, like, Rocky's watching it from his basement.

He just got fired by Tommy Gunn.

And he's getting into it.

And then Tommy Gunn knocks the guy out.

And Tommy Gunn gets on the microphone and he goes... there's this guy i want to thank he's been like an angel on my shoulders and rocky they show rocky and he's like oh he's gonna thank me because i'm the one that's been training him and then he goes mr george washington duke and then he like hails and rocky looks like his puppies just died and i bring this up because i know how rocky felt because on on monday pat tells me in the morning hey this is the most this is the most youtube views i've ever had and i'm like ever and i'm like that's great man congrats like that's cool we did a show that had the most views ever and then randomly your show came on my youtube because you know sometimes the youtube just keeps going your stupid show came out for monday night it was you solo doing the film bro session And you started off with, you know, I'd just like to thank everyone.

Like, I had all these views.

Because [laughs] I mean, trying to pull Tommy Morrison.

Tommy Gunn, Tommy Gunn, Tommy Gunn.

And I c- I can't remember what came first, this or his boxing career, or if they were side by side, and then he-

His boxing career came first-

The one time he does is at the dinner, where he tells how he was brought up and how he fought back with, against bullies.

He was trying to tell Rocky Jr. how to fight back against the bullies.

And Adrian is against this, but Tommy Gunn is, he tells Rocky Jr., "Dude, you gotta fight back." And I do like him in that scene.

Again, in these calm scenes, I think he's g- borderline good.

that they're thinking about redoing Rocky V? Yes.

Yeah, Rocky V, that's the Tommy Gunn one.

Yeah, that's the one where he loses all the money, and he ends up in a street brawl, I think, with Tommy Gunn at the end, with Tommy Morrison, but he helps train Tommy Gunn, if you will.

And then you've got the Don King-type character in the movie, If Memory Serves Me Right.

It also has Sylvester Stallone's son, Sage, who has passed away, and Sylvester Stallone has, not only is that I Am Rocky movie coming out, it's got to be coming out here pretty soon, I would think, which is the making of Rocky, but they're talking about now recutting Rocky 5.

So now what he wants to do is he wants to take a lot of the scenes and a lot of the stuff that was left on the cutting room floor, and he wants to make a totally new re-edit of Rocky V, similar to what he did with Rocky IV a couple of years ago.

You know, taking out the... extraneous stuff some of the more you know unbelievable aspects of the film and maybe putting in more of the character moments like there's apparently a ton of stuff between him and Adrian that just got completely junked out now whether or not that that's a reason to remake a movie we don't know but you know again with the dedicated fan base I think there's a market for something like this

which one was rocky five was that Tommy Gunn

Rest in peace, Tommy Morrison.

I loved you very much, Tommy Gunn.

Cody, how much of the Fire Frank Ross is just the special teams itself, and how much of it is just like put people on notice in the building?

Yeah, it's definitely the first of what could eventually be many if things don't go right.

Talia Shire is with us, Burt Young, Burgess Meredith appears.

And then we've got Tommy Morrison, the real life boxer appears as Tommy Gunn and Stallone's real life son, Sage Stallone, makes his film debut in this one.

When we were communicating via email before we recorded this podcast, you mentioned to me that you'd been thinking about this conversation.

that we were going to have about thinking about what the film, this film does right, what it does poorly or not so well, and thinking about the movie that it could have been if it, maybe if it had been done slightly differently.

He's forced to return to his Philly neighborhoods where the first movie was set.

He reopens Mick's gym.

He meets a young fighter named tommy gunn who he takes under his wing and um experiences some personal conflict with his own son and then it ends with a large uh fight between tommy and rocky as they sort of settle their differences not in the ring but in a back alley behind a bar

yeah that's perfect it's interesting i haven't really thought about that well i had but not consciously thought about the fact that it picks up exactly from the end of rocky four in the same way that rocky two picks up immediately from rocky one but they don't do that in the other two films do they and i wonder if there was a particular reason why they opted to do this because some of the things that they do at the start of this film they could have they could have made out were a little bit further down the line potentially it didn't have to pick up immediately after but they obviously made that decision what do you think are some of the films of this film in some of the rocky films they're not it's not just about one Fighter, Fighter A, Fighter B, is it? There's more stuff going on there.

So let's just go right into where we left off, Reuben.

Rocky has just finished watching Tommy win the championship against Union Cane on TV.

Mm-hmm.

And Paulie has suggested to Rocky, "Let's, let's go to the bar and wrap our teeth around a couple beers.

Drink this, uh, night off." Adrian supports this, says, "Yeah, Rocky, go with your brother-in-law.

Get your mind off this fight that you weren't a part of at the end," even though you brought Tommy to that part.

And Tommy didn't thank Rocky, he thanked George Washington Duke.

And that's what's happened here.