Token Relations

Even crypto companies during the Operation 2.0, a lot of U.S.-based companies lost their banking rights, couldn't even get a bank account.

I know when I started, my company was originally called Token Relations.

And because it had that name in it, Token, a lot of banks were like, no, thanks.

We don't want to work with you.

Today, I am joined by Shane Mahlador, the founder and CEO of Forged, and Ryan Salage, the head of research at DeFiLlama.

Shane has been on the podcast a couple of times before, and Forged is a partner of ours now, as well as DeFiLlama's through the Market Maker Leaderboard, and now the recently launched Universal Token Ratings project with DeFiLlama.

I'm excited to chat with them both today about how investors and projects alike should think about tokens, market makers, and more.

So Shane and Ryan, welcome on.

Thanks for having us.

Yep, thanks for having us.

Shane, maybe let's start with Forged and the Market Maker Leaderboard and data that you guys put together.

Why was this so important to create, um, and at the same time put it out on DeFiLlama? Like, there's dozens, if not hundreds of dashboards out there for nearly every single metric.