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Todd Muller

Todd Muller

Former Leader of the Opposition of New Zealand

Jun 18, 2026

21:59
I'm wondering in your case whether those tears were of grief for what you had lost for all of those years that
22:07
you'd fought for it.
22:08
I think without doubt, without doubt.
22:11
And so, you know, that, that sense of grieving.
22:16
the old Todd Muller, if you like, the old purpose, you know, which had been, you know, it had been wrapped into my sense of self-worth for 40 years, right? Yeah, okay, when I was 13, I didn't, you know, walk around totting a boy saying one day I'm going to be prime minister.
22:36
But in my mind, I decided that's what I want to do.
22:40
And then stuff came kept then happening over the subsequent years that seemed to point to that being an obvious ultimate goal.
27:04
Tell us a little bit more about your thoughts on those.

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