Just help us frame that understanding of how to look at this play.

Yeah, I'm so glad this is the play that you're most enthusiastic about, and I think I would completely agree with that for myself.

And if I could also say this, the literary critic and prolific writer Harold Bloom, who wrote Shakespeare, The Invention of the Human, he said of all the 35,000 characters he's read in all literature throughout his life, he lived quite a long life, he said there's just been nobody who even rivals Hamlet in terms of the depths of his character, his spirit, his role in all of literature.

So anybody who's kind of encountered Hamlet once or twice, I think you and I both agree, just go to it again and again, because the more you plummet, the deeper it gets.

So, you know, it was in seeing Hamlet for the umpteenth time and kind of going back and reading the play that I came across this thread of confession.

And I'm a Catholic convert, and so in 2010 I came to the Church, But since that time in coming to the Church, I just had my eyes peeled just sort of unconsciously for the very sacraments and how they manifest themselves, especially in great literature.

And so it just so happened the last time I saw Hamlet, it was striking to me that when Hamlet is confronted by his father's ghost, and his father's ghost effectively admits that he's roaming the earth and effectively kind of burning in the fires of purgatory or on his route to hell.

Mission,

In this episode, we'll conclude our conversation with Dr. Todd Warner and Bishop Barron on modern Christian persecution.

So this, I wanna quote from this book, What Do Their Deaths Demand? You write, quote, there exists, and this is what you just said, there exists a fallen spiritual force that lies behind the dysfunctional structures of society and the twisted wills of individual sinners.

Jesus will indeed address both personal and institutional sin, but he knows that a successful engagement with those more obvious evils is predicated upon the defeat of the awful, invisible authority that conditions them." Now, Bishop, frankly, I'm just being very blunt.

How does a society that is scientistic, materialistic, distracted, incurious, cynical, skeptical, how did they come to believe what you just wrote?

So no, no, no, the older I get, the more credible I find that.

Segment three, what do their deaths demand? In What Do Their Deaths Demand, Bishop Barron writes, quote, when one reads history with the eyes of faith, he will easily see that the red dragon seen in Revelation has expressed himself through thousands of King Herods up and down the last 20 centuries, all of whom have had the same purpose, the snuffing out of the Christ life in the world.

The struggles against power seen and unseen has been a mark of the Christian church from the beginning of its history.

So, Bishop, In the 21st century, what role does the Catholic Church play in fighting the evils of Satan and his acolytes? And why does it seem that in our current states, we're still the underdogs?