Toby Shapshak

Hello, Andy Capistagno.

Hello, Toby Shapshak.

What a glorious four weeks of rugby it's been.

I mean, from those anxious moments on the very first Saturday at Ellis Park to such a triumphant fourth test where the Springboks ran rampant and outscored the All Blacks six tries to four.

As I say to my friends often when I'm feeling downcast, at least the Springboks are winning.

You've been listening to Stuff Rugby with Andy Capistagno.

And Toby Shapshak.

Sally Hudson is the boss of the game.

The models simply sought to find the most efficacious way to solve a particular problem, and they disregarded the rules that had been set by the humans.

What everyone is worried about now is, have we reached the age of Skynet or the Matrix, where essentially the machines begin to play God? Toby Shapshak is the editor-in-chief of stuff.co.za and joins us now.

He's a tech commentator, journalist, and so many other things.

Toby, always a pleasure to chat to you.

I'll be up at 11 o'clock tonight.

Oh, yeah.

Look, Toby Shapshak, it's a fascinating new world.

There's a lot we don't yet know, but I think it's a fascinating conversation.

Thank you for listening to Stuff Rugby with Andy Capistagno.

And Toby Shapshak.

Sally Hudson is our executive producer.

Hans Baumgarten is our director of audio.

Thanks again, Andy Kapustania.

Thank you, Toby Shapshak.

Thanks for listening to Stuff Rugby with Andy Kapustania.

I'm Toby Shapshak.

Sally Hudson is our director of everything.

Hans Baumgarten is the director of audio.