Do, do you ever get caught between trying to get the s- the story right but mindful of the adaptive nature of what you're actually filming? Has that ever been a factor for you?

Definitely.

I, I think it's one of those things about risk mit- mitigation and, um, I...

It was back in 2023.

I was up in Scotland at a film festival, and I was watching, um, a beautiful film of this iconic mountain, and it showed sweeping drone shots showcasing this, this mountain and this so-called path up towards the summit.

The narrator was talking about sheer kilometer drops on both the left and right of you as you start to head up towards the summit, that that mountain was the Matterhorn.

And I was watching this film, and I'm not the biggest fan of heights, um, so I leaned over to the friend I was watching this film with, and I just said, "I'm never doing that." I actually said, "Fuck that," but [laughs] um, might have to cut that little bit out.

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