Tiswas

Yes.

I mean, look, I, I, I have to say, at that time, I was watching a lot more of, uh, TISWAS where, um-

I knew you were gonna say that because you were a renegade-

Well, it wasn't a renegade

Right

...

in his control, whereas the whole point of TISWAS that was nobody seemed to be in control at any point, at any time.

So, you know, it depends how you like your things, uh, how you liked your, your, your Saturday mornings, and I have to say-

They were a bit more rebellious over there at ITV, whereas BBC had...

Blue Peter, they had magpie, whereas BBC had Saturday Superstore, they had Tiswas, which was Chris Tarrant.

It was anarchic.

It was fun.

Listen, I...

You didn't mention Tiswas, and that's a blessing sometimes.

Mm.

'Cause every- everything, every- I go on the street, in the shops, "Lenny, Tiswas, yeah."

Yeah.

I get that a lot.

But that still is no defence.

I mean, Olly will put up a picture now for our viewers to see this ceremony happening with this chap and his wife, who at first I thought was the phantom flan flinger from Tiswas, and the Archbishop of Canterbury.

And This was given on September the 11th, this award was given.

And I don't care if 99% of Islamic clerics believe the sorts of things he believes.

No, that was a...

Yeah, do you know, we were never, I was never allowed to watch Tiswas.

My mum, who was devout Catholic, uh, God rest her, said it was, she, she, "No, that's not good." You know.

Why not?

Uh, I can't remember the name of the character.

He did on Tiswas.

Tiswas was the Saturday morning kids TV show hosted by Toby Tarrant's dad.

Yes.

And it was mayhem, and it was chaotic, and it was originally just on ATV in Birmingham, but it was so popular they rolled it out onto the ITV network Saturday mornings.

You were either a Noel Edmonds Swap Shop kid-

Mm-hmm

... or you were a Tiswas kid.