Like, yeah.

Yeah.

And i- if I'm not special and Aaron's not special and we fuck with it, then chances are a lot of other people are gonna fuck with it.

And so it's like, we just throw ourselves into the studio, and, like, we intentionally, for the place after this one, went to the woods.

W- we, I, to the best of my ability, told everyone, "Don't look at your phones.

I don't wanna hear anything about what's popping at radio.

I don't wanna hear what Bad Omens or A Day to Remember or anyone is doing in our sphere.

But has your process changed as a band in terms of how you gu- how you guys come together, or is it the blueprint of course-

Yeah.

And kind of, like, you know, the dude with the tic, like, can...

Is it just, do you just live here now? And is there anything you can or can't do? Um, and yeah, as far as that goes, like, I think his, his stuff specifically does directly affect us, but I think, if I'm being honest, it's more like I can tune him out.

If he's going to the hospital, I'm like, if, for this period or episode, I just need to reduce you to a coworker.

As long as you get on stage for the hour I need you and we make our money and we can have enough gas in the tank to get to the next show, you can melt down for the other 23 hours by yourself in your bunk.

You know? And that's not unloving or true, but you have to, in those states, figure out a way to cope.

He can't cope, I can't cope, what are we gonna do? Blow up the whole tour? No.

Mm-hmm.