Tim Steele

Um, but like it, it really, like it really worked.

those are the two mentors and then years later there were different musicians like Jay Williams who plays for everybody of course Aaron Spears of course Tim Steele of course Buggy Edwards of course Churchill Wood like it was just a bunch of like direct guys and then I grew up essentially with a bunch of Killers.

I hate to use that word, but you're talking about Mike Reed.

You're talking about Jamal Moore.