Thomas Zimmer

It seems like now there's not, if not uniformity, an increasing consensus that this is a fascist movement.

So what? If this is fascist, what changes? What should change about the world and about the sorts of questions political philosophers, political theorists, political scientists see themselves as answering? Joining me to discuss this is Thomas Zimmer, whose work on fascism I have read a lot, and I'm excited to have this conversation.

Thomas, thanks so much for coming on the podcast.

Thank you so much for having me.

I guess there's two theories, I guess, that I see in competing in liberal democratic politics, both kind of here and abroad, I think.

I guess one, I think I had Thomas Zimmer, he's a historian on, he was talking about how you need to have people who lean in and really defend the sort of multiracial, pluralistic ideology.

project, like the idea that, you know, that that's the, we need to have, that's the way to sort of fight for liberalism is to sort of admit that we want a thing that has all races and ethnicities and religions as part of it and sort of defend that pluralism.

And that's, that's gotta be part of it.