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Thomas Schelling

Thomas Schelling

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Oct 10, 2026

Steven PinkerGUEST
14:13
Namely, there are outcomes that could lead one to prosper at the expense of the other, but there are also outcomes that could leave them both worse off, that they both have an interest in avoiding.
Steven PinkerGUEST
14:23
And in fact, Thomas Schelling, the Nobel Prize winning economist, who came up with a lot of the ideas that I develop in this book, who is also a nuclear strategist.
Steven PinkerGUEST
14:33
And he pointed out really to the United States that it was mistaken to think of all international confrontations as pure zero-sum conflict.
Steven PinkerGUEST
14:47
In the case of, say, avoiding a nuclear war, neither side really wants a nuclear war.
David A. HughesGUEST
18:45
McGeorge Bundy, the Dean of Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences, claimed in 1955 that a university which does not try to develop to a maximal degree the interest, cooperation and understanding between its staff members and those of the National Defence Forces is not doing its full job.
David A. HughesGUEST
19:07
Thomas Schelling, who is best known for his work on game theory, wrote of a new academic profession that grew in size and influence in the 1950s before moving in 1961 into the establishment, the Departments of State and Defence.
David A. HughesGUEST
19:24
The founder of MIT's political science department, Ithiel de Sola Poole, called the rising class of academics the New Mandarins, an allusion to an educated, unelected bureaucratic elite capable of influencing policy and administration.
David A. HughesGUEST
19:41
Scholars who later looked back on that period, however, did not see influence, but rather servitude.
David A. HughesGUEST
20:03
A Harvard historian, John Trumpbore, wrote that reason, sometimes of a specialized technocratic variety, had been put at the service of the national security apparatus.
David A. HughesGUEST
20:14
He called it reason in the service of empire.
David A. HughesGUEST
20:19
Reason in the service of empire was exemplified by Thomas Schelling's claim that the United States had exercised quote unquote restraint during the Korean War because it did not bomb anywhere in China or use nuclear weapons.
David A. HughesGUEST
20:33
In reality, as historian Charles Armstrong explains, the US Air Force dropped more bomb tonnage on North Korea, including napalm, than it had dropped on the entire Pacific theater during World War Two, killing a staggering 10 to 15 percent of the population.
ThomasGUEST
0:59
People have a misunderstanding about the bomb and about nuclear weapons generally.
ThomasGUEST
1:10
People like Thomas Schilling and Herman Kahn, they made the point that nuclear weapons are like any other weapons.
ThomasGUEST
1:15
They're just far, far more muscle-bound.
ThomasGUEST
1:20
The ability to impose devastating attrition in an instant marks them apart.

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ThomasGUEST
51:38
Uh, You can still find me on Twitter, which I guess now is X or whatever, like formerly Burbap, capital R-E-A-L underscore number 7, H-O-M-A-S 777.
ThomasGUEST
51:51
You can always find me on Substack, which is my primary platform.
ThomasGUEST
51:55
It's real R-E-A-L underscore Thomas777.substack.com. You can always find me on my website, number 7, H-O-M-A-S 777.com. I'm preparing season two of the Mind Phaser podcast.
ThomasGUEST
52:15
As well as I'm going to Utah in a couple weeks to film the first dedicated episode of Thomas TV on the channel.
Nigel WallbridgeGUEST
24:31
I do...
Nigel WallbridgeGUEST
24:31
One thing that I do feel slightly concerned about is that I don't, I don't know if you've ever read the papers of Thomas Schelling.
Nigel WallbridgeGUEST
24:38
He's a kind of economist from the 1970s, and he, he looked at how very minor preferences amongst individuals kind of amplifies itself into, into massive segregation on a macro scale.
Nigel WallbridgeGUEST
24:54
And I think that in, in society, telecoms has, in some ways, bypassed the institutions, the political institutions, economic ins- institutions, educational institutions that, uh, th- these organizations are struggling to keep in a world where people can communicate with a vast audience, you can, as you do, around the world.
Federico AstGUEST
8:02
And then those guys are going to be the ones who will solve the dispute, okay? And the game theory in it is that you have...
Federico AstGUEST
8:10
There's a system that we developed that is inspired by a game theorist called Thomas Schelling that is about people who are jurors in the cases are rewarded based on them being coherent with the majority of the other jurors.
Federico AstGUEST
8:24
And if they take their time and make a good decision and... evaluate the evidence and all they will tend to be in coherence with the rest and they will make money if they just vote randomly or they just don't care and vote whatever they are likely to be on the wrong side of the of the majority and then they will lose money this is a system that rewards people for honest honest behavior uh that we invented and this is one of the key components of decentralized justice so this is the nutshell is like a This idea of crowdsourced users that can come from anywhere.
Federico AstGUEST
8:57
And this idea of economic incentives to this token that enables them to become honest in this system to produce very, very fast, very cheap and fair rulings for the cases they have to solve.
ThomasGUEST
256:53
It begs the question as to how, you know, as to how, as to whether this has been demonstrated in the historical record, like an Agleta Morgan thought would say, well, over time, you know, there's a remarkable continuity, okay, if you're talking about great powers at war, whether you're talking about the British, the United States, you know, Russian foreign policy, you know, even lesser regional powers like the Austro-Hungarian Empire, you know, in the Westphalian era, at least over time, this bears out, okay.
ThomasGUEST
257:25
The competing model, I mean, maybe not so much competing in absolute terms, but the kind of game theory model, you know, that relies more on codable variables, if you will, you know, based upon, you know, the availability of war fighting technologies was kind of was presented by Thomas Schelling.
ThomasGUEST
257:48
Schelling was primarily an economist, but he was a game theorist and he was a public intellectual of the sort that really, really thrived during the Cold War.
ThomasGUEST
257:57
And I, it doesn't really exist anymore, at least not in public life.
ThomasGUEST
258:03
Schelling's old point was that deterrence is accomplished, you know, not, you know, not by the propensities of the individual men who are the human decision makers, you know, nor by the relative balance of forces on each side, but the stability they're in.
ThomasGUEST
258:19
And the stability they're in comes down to available technologies.
ThomasGUEST
258:22
And in the nuclear age that it comes down to the ability of each side to basically threaten the other with a retaliatory strike when attacked that, you know, makes a bolt from the blue assault cost prohibitive, you know, unacceptable damage will be endured, in other words.
ThomasGUEST
258:45
Okay, Schelling's seminal text was the strategy of conflict, okay, throughout the Cold War, this kind of informed policy in some other more, either directly or obliquely, literally until 19, until the night of November 9, 1989.
Steven PinkerGUEST
2:58
And the reason that common knowledge is necessary is that merely knowing the other person's intention is not enough.
Steven PinkerGUEST
3:04
If you imagine a rendezvous, let's say, to take an example from Thomas Schelling that initiated this field of research more than 60 years ago.
Steven PinkerGUEST
3:13
Imagine a couple separated in New York.
Steven PinkerGUEST
3:16
They don't have working cell phones.

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Sam LeithHOST
15:22
I think the simplest answer may be that it's for generating common knowledge.
Sam LeithHOST
15:25
Can you explain that and when you kind of arrived at this
Steven PinkerGUEST
15:27
conclusion? So going back to the Thomas Schelling's dilemma of the separated couple who have to find each other.
Steven PinkerGUEST
15:33
Now, of course, if they had functioning cell phones, there'd be no dilemma.
Steven PinkerGUEST
3:00
And the reason that common knowledge is necessary is that merely knowing the other person's intention is not enough.
Steven PinkerGUEST
3:06
If you imagine a rendezvous, let's say, to take an example from Thomas Schelling that initiated this field of research more than 60 years ago.
Steven PinkerGUEST
3:15
Imagine a couple separated in New York.
Steven PinkerGUEST
3:18
They don't have working cell phones.

12 MINS LATER

Sam LeithHOST
15:23
I think the simplest answer may be that it's for generating common knowledge.
Sam LeithHOST
15:26
Can you explain that and when you kind
Steven PinkerGUEST
15:29
of arrived at this conclusion? So going back to the Thomas Schelling's dilemma of the separated couple who have to find each other.
Steven PinkerGUEST
15:35
Now, of course, if they had functioning cell phones, there'd be no dilemma.
Mike SpenceGUEST
9:54
I mean, you know, so I don't know who thought that.
Mike SpenceGUEST
9:57
I mean, well, I know where it came from, right? Because Tom Schelling told me, well, you know, if you want people to pay attention to this, then write down the simplest model that you can.
Ben ZweigHOST
10:07
where there's a signaling effect.
Ben ZweigHOST
10:09
And by simplest,
Robert PapeGUEST
8:48
It's a little bit like the lessons for today.
Robert PapeGUEST
8:51
Well, a group of Harvard professors led by Thomas Schelling, his, uh, Kissinger's former professor.
Robert PapeGUEST
8:59
like a co-partner at certain centers at Harvard, they came and Kissinger met with them and they read Kissinger, the riot act and all these sophisticated ways about how this was going the opposite direction of what should be happening in the, in the Vietnam war.
Robert PapeGUEST
9:18
And they were going to go public.

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