Thirteen

Yeah

... co-written Thirteen, the movie.

Yes.

And she was working on something with, I think, teen characters, and we had lunch, and Robert Pattinson came with her to the lunch.

Now, you probably know Evan Rachel Wood from Westworld, where she played Dolores, who I think is one of the most memorable characters on television in the last decade.

Or you may know her from films like Thirteen and The Wrestler.

She's an amazing actress.

But in recent years, Evan has used her platform in a completely different and, I think, incredibly brave way, by speaking publicly about the physical and psychological abuse she says she experienced during her relationship with Brian Warner, better known as Marilyn Manson.

How was it? Did you...

What did you think of it from the start?

So, um, Thirteen really scared me when I read it.

Um, and it was so intense, obviously, and graphic, and I just didn't trust anybody to get it right.

we'll make it fun we'll make it work

we'll make it work yes but let's get into it i presented to my patrons at and the runner-up is a list of 15 actresses who earned sag nominations but did not translate those to oscar nominations And just to recap, the options were Pamela Anderson in The Last Showgirl, Jennifer Aniston in Cake, Emily Blunt in Mary Poppins Returns, Marian Cotillard in Rust and Bone, Judi Dench in Victoria and Abdul, Jane Horrocks in Little Voice, Jennifer Hudson in Respect, Angelina Jolie in A Mighty Heart, Lady Gaga in House of Gucci, Jenna Rollins in Unhook the Stars, Meryl Streep in The River Wild, Kate Winslet in Revolutionary Road, Evan Rachel Wood in Thirteen, Robin Wright in She's So Lovely, and Zee Zhang in Memoirs of a Geisha.

And the winners were Kate Winslet in Revolutionary Road and Evan Rachel Wood in Thirteen.

Any other favorites from that group? I saw you had a few gestures as I was reading those.

Well, personally love Pamela Anderson and Last Showgirl, like one of my favorite performances recently.

En fait, quand on voit ça, on se dit comment est-ce qu'on peut accepter ce genre de traitement ? Comment est-ce qu'on peut se mettre dans ces positions, se mettre dans ces situations-là qui nous font tellement de mal ? Je pense que ça fait grandir, mais si on peut réduire les dommages d'intérêt, et si on peut très rapidement s'extraire de ce genre de lien, je pense qu'on se sent tous mieux, en fait.

Il y avait aussi le film Thirteen, mais bon, là, ça parle carrément de teenagers, mais Thirteen, c'est pareil, c'est deux nénettes qui s'engraignent dans une amitié toxique, et en plus, après, il y a une relation à la drogue, etc., qui est encore un autre niveau, un autre seuil de toxicité, parce que là, c'est littéralement de l'intoxication à tous les niveaux.

Alors que là, dans le film Respire, cette présence d'anxiété constante qu'on peut ressentir quand on est dans une relation toxique amicale.

Très bien vu, parce qu'en fait, je pense que c'est quelque chose qui arrive beaucoup, notamment dans les amitiés féminines.

Dr. Doolittle in the wild giving-

You fucking, Dr. Doolittle was a movie

... these...

I'm just saying you don't see him out here giving cats prescriptions in the wild.

Yeah.

That was a good...

Did you watch the movie about that?

About what?

[laughs]

... with Thirteen.

Oh, Mom, you knew what was going on with all those clothes.

I didn't know it went that far.

Hmm

... it's a weird place, and I think it should be very interesting to dive into the final two years, uh, for the podcast, as we only have three episodes remaining for this season.

Yeah, because you look at some f- films like Thirteen and Elephant, which are incredibly-

Yeah

And then, you know, and then it, we took it from there that it's totally not appropriate.

And, you know, we went into, I then had her watch the movie Thirteen with me.

We talked more about, you know, that, uh, y- that, that is this how you want to have your sexuality be? Is this how...

Is, there's, it's, you know, on a certain level perverted to be sitting there on a screen, that it's one step away from somebody recording you means that-

And after writing all the Twilight movies, Rosenberg would also go on to become the creator and showrunner for Netflix's Jessica Jones series, which is super dope.

And teaming up with Rosenberg is, of course, director Catherine Hardwicke, who had previously directed films like 2003's Thirteen, 2005's Lords of Dogtown, and 2006's Nativity Story.

It's actually thanks to Catherine Hardwicke that Twilight was filmed without the use of any green screens at all, as that director truly believed in capturing footage as practically as possible.

Everything was practical because a green screen gives a sense of [laughs] unreality, and you're always working later on to make it not look like green screen.