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And also we're seeing a big increase in third and fourth spaces appearing.

You know, we all know what third spaces are, those places between work and home.

Fourth spaces are digital or virtual aspects of life.

between that um so so there's huge i think openness now the culture has shifted the irish solution to an irish problem may not be your conventional home ownership model and certainly i don't know first advertising featuring first-time buyers being carried over the threshold won't be as meaningful to to the audience as it might have been not that long ago

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agree and it's so like when you think about it like we were saying this before who were saying this to one of our FMCG clients saying like what you think about a household you have to think about it it wasn't quite we didn't have all the data you guys had we were saying like the household looks very different today and just to say with you for a minute like we all need our own space, right? And you guys talked about third spaces and fourth spaces and digital spaces, but you need a place to hang out, right? So I guess when I look at that going on, I then say, well, this would sound like the ideal time for the pub to become back in fashion, but your pubs are not doing great at the moment.

So like, what's a pub mean to people you need third spaces you need to get out you need to find a common ground somewhere out of the house but like the pub is just not on young people's radar because it could be I think maybe the pub will get a second wind here if pub culture will come back but is that like is that coming through in the research are young people saying well we're just not into pubs did that come through at all as a third space?

They are based in the Pacific Northwest, but they're also become a national organization.

They do a number of things, but the centerpiece is preparing what I'll call third spaces.

So that could be music venues, bars, restaurants, record store, any place where people gather.

in public, right? Preparing them for how to deal with the realities of 2026, bad actors.

How do you deal with ICE raids? How do you prepare for ICE raids? How do you prepare for white supremacy groups to come into your club? How do you prepare for guns to come into your place? How do you prepare for online doxing and toxic behavior, bomb threats, like you name it.

All the things that we have to worry about, they work with Third Spaces to prepare.

It's free, their resources.

And it's so that we can continue to have safe places to gather around art.

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thank you, right? Thank you for holding the door open, right? And so, you know, that combined with, I think, these third spaces where people will be able to work on stuff and then, you know, make physical items, which we were talking about last week, right? Just like those types of things, we're just gonna see more and more permutations of that, I think.

publicly traded amusement parks i'm bullish on i think uh going off of this uh when i used to live near bush gardens um i would go there after work just to like right like because it was free essentially i would just walk in uh i had like a season pass i would just go ride some roller coasters and uh this is actually back when i did i have models training and i was like i have nothing to do tonight and i would ride roller coasters and then drive back to the office and be like oh all right like it's done like let's see all right how much do you like

it how much do you like publicly traded amusement park because six flags it as it looks like it's at all-time low maybe i might

First up in the program, young people face a range of challenges and misconceptions about their identities, ambitions and how they spend their time.

For young women of colour, especially those who are new to life in Australia, these issues are compounded by a lack of third spaces designed to make them feel at home.

Emily spent some time at Ethne, an organisation in southeast Queensland supporting, uplifting and platforming young multicultural women.

At the heart of it, it's really about seeing our young women feel like they're not alone, that they have a place, that they belong, that they have people that care about them, and that they've been able to navigate through their challenges in their lives with somebody by their side.

For me when I first went into Ethne I was kind of struggling with that aspect of I'm not Arab enough for the people back home but I'm not Aussie enough for the people here so I really wanted to find a way to be more Aussie.

Through Ethne I found respect and I guess a lot of love for my own culture and traditions and a way and a third space for me to exist as an Arab Aussie woman.

Third spaces like Ethni, separate to work, school and home, provide an environment where young women of colour can find identity, community and confidence.

Kim says Ethni's power is in its long-term influence on these young women, who become changemakers in their own communities.

This is a whole...

There's a whole like sociological study about how third spaces are disappearing because like rent is too high so there's no place for people to come together which is like leading to like the huge loneliness epidemic that is happening in the United States because there just are no third spaces anymore.

So it seems like subconsciously you were aware of the fact that being gay and Asian together meant something extra special, right? Extra safe.

extra

And by necessity, I mean the goal being to be invited to these parties and to be able to socialize and not be excluded.

And I think that pressure to not be excluded is pretty strong within the Geishin community.

Yeah, because it's like you finally found these third spaces, but then if you're still not able to get into them, then it's like even worse of a feeling.

But I guess suffice it to say, I think there are quite a bit of politics when it comes to Geisha, which may not necessarily be that obvious as a newcomer or someone who just wants to socialize.

With the, um, like wanting to be able to spread love and joy, how did workshops and that kind of align for you?

Ooh, I feel like a workshop is, so there's not a lot of third spaces in Ōsōtahi.

And there's not a lot of stuff, like these workshops, they cost money because I have to buy the supplies and stuff.

But I wish they didn't cost money because then you could have more outreach to people.

You can just experience it and find beauty and, like, go out to the park and draw some flowers and, like, go to the Botans and have a picnic and write some poetry.

I think that would be so beautiful.

And, like, having more third spaces pop up in Ototahi would be just incredible.

What's your idea of a third space? Because I love third spaces as well, but I'm always really curious around how other people view their ideal third space.

yes yes i can see it

okay so i wanted to start out by talking about third places have you ever heard me talk about a third place or what it is no no okay so a third place Let's actually...

I had AI make me a slideshow.

Maybe one day I'll have enough time to...

you spend the second most time.

And then the third place is where you go for just to hang out, just for conversation and community and connection with other people.

And Third places are really important to your mental and emotional health and well-being.

Okay.

Yes.

And are you guys familiar with the term third space? Like your third space? so

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your i don't think so your house your home is like your first space your job is your second space okay third space is usually referred to like hobby spaces like maybe the gym or your local game store or if you golf maybe it's the golf course lgs's are some of the last few truly social third places where you can go out and meet new people who already have similar interests so it's easier to break the ice and you

know

make new friends and build your circle make your community stronger it's one of those last true third spaces in my opinion

yeah it's one of those like pure social interaction because like people go in there usually you were going there to interact with people you don't know to play you know games and all that because like i said you're at least going to have a shared interest which would be magic or yugioh or whatever the card game is so it's a good way of like all right i'll know at least some people here are going to have the same interest as me i'll get some games in maybe like i said you'll make some friends and have a future pod grow out of that That's one of the things I enjoy every week is playing with like new and different people and all that just because it makes things more entertaining and exciting compared to like the same group every single time

It does, and I'm probably one of the first ones that'll go sit at a random table and be like, hey, what's your name? I'm Joby.