Thilo Gross

And then in 2019, there was then the second symposium already in June again.

And in 2020, the first professor was actually hired, Thilo Gross, head of the biodiversity theory group.

Yes.

And maybe, yeah, we never actually talked about, so we've talked to professors here on the podcast, so like Maren and Kim, for instance, but we never actually outlined the pillars, basically, the four groups that it's built on.

So we have biodiversity theory group, With Thilo Gross, then Kim Peters with Marine Governance, who came in April 2020.

And then we have Marin, who we already had on the podcast of Ecosystem Data Science and Ileana Baums in 2022 with Marine Conservation.

And those four groups, they were established during the first symposium or did they change somewhat?